DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

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DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by ClintHardware » 21 Dec 2020 08:05

Hi All

I found the following pages in the 15. Pz.Div. KTB some while back and thought the unit entries originally listed in 1941 would be of interest. Panzer Regiment 5 is shown as though all 8 kompanien were present. No date of issue is attributed to these pages in the KTB
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by Dili » 22 Dec 2020 16:18

Thanks, so only unit names , no gun types, numbers?

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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by ClintHardware » 22 Dec 2020 20:08

Hi Dili

Sadly it was just pages of formation and unit names. There are two Luftwaffe unit pages that I will post but these will be after Christmas due to time constraints.
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Post by Dili » 23 Dec 2020 10:53

Ok, thanks looking forward to it. Merry Christmas

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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by Urmel » 24 Dec 2020 09:22

I'm afraid that OOB makes little sense. 3. and 7. Kp PR8 didn't join until late December 1941. At this stage the Oasenkompanien were no longer under the control of 15. PD (if indeed they ever were), and they were all lost on the surrender of Bardia and Halfaya, and removed from the OOB of Panzerarmee by late January.

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The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

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Post by ClintHardware » 24 Dec 2020 21:17

Yes. I wonder what date it was compiled.
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by Richard Anderson » 25 Dec 2020 00:18

It makes little sense too in the context of an actual document found in a German Army KTB? Normally, an "order of battle" document there would be a Gliederung in the Anlage? Nor could that be what you found in the KTB, since I don't thing the Germans used Microsoft Word. :D I suspect it is your transcription of a document you found in the files of 15. Panzer Division, correct? If so, the original document may have clues as to date, its intent, and so forth. Do you have a copy of the original?
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by ClintHardware » 26 Dec 2020 12:12

Yes I copy typed it - sorry I thought that was obvious. I will have a look at the original photos again but although they were filed amongst other pages from August 1941 there was no clue to date. I'll be back.
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by Richard Anderson » 26 Dec 2020 15:29

ClintHardware wrote:
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Yes I copy typed it - sorry I thought that was obvious. I will have a look at the original photos again but although they were filed amongst other pages from August 1941 there was no clue to date. I'll be back.
That was a joke old boy - sorry I thought that was obvious. :lol: Seriously, an original photo should help.
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by ClintHardware » 28 Dec 2020 04:30

Update: I tried using postimages.com but the website was not fully functioning.
The original photographs I copy-typed the data from are: 0328.jpg - 0338.jpg within Microcopy T315 Roll 665 from the Nataional Archives of the USA.

0324.jpg is a diagramatic 15. Pz.Div OOB dated 26.3.41.

The placement of these photographs seems to not relate to August 1941 although they appear within photographs of August 1941 pages.
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by Leo Niehorster » 28 Dec 2020 10:19

I can offer the 15. Panzer-Division Gliederung, 10 February 1941, with annotations of changes ordered up to at least 24.03.1941.This includes the 16.03.41 organization you mention.
15 Panzer Division 15-04-41.jpg

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"Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, Stand: 10.Febr.1941"
Document group: H1/88
Source: National Archives Record Group 242 - Publication T78 – Roll 404 (Stamp 15/983, page 6374400)

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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by ClintHardware » 29 Dec 2020 05:54

Hi Leo
My diagram is Anlage 1 zu 15. Pz. Div. Nr 330/41 g.Kdos. Ia vom 26.3.41 with very little annotation. Would like to post it here for comparison - what method did you use to post the image? What size is this forum limited to?
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Post by Leo Niehorster » 29 Dec 2020 09:55

Hi Clint,
Below the Quick Reply box there is the "Full Editor & Preview" button.
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by ClintHardware » 29 Dec 2020 11:15

Hi Leo
Yes AHF told me the image was too large. I'll try your link later. Many Thanks
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Re: DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

Post by Urmel » 29 Dec 2020 14:31

Leo Niehorster wrote:
28 Dec 2020 10:19
I can offer the 15. Panzer-Division Gliederung, 10 February 1941, with annotations of changes ordered up to at least 24.03.1941.This includes the 16.03.41 organization you mention.
15 Panzer Division 15-04-41.jpg


Found in
OKH Generalstab des Heeres, Organizations-Abteilung
"Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres, Stand: 10.Febr.1941"
Document group: H1/88
Source: National Archives Record Group 242 - Publication T78 – Roll 404 (Stamp 15/983, page 6374400)

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Hi Leo

The annotations go out to at least October 1941, so I'm wondering a bit about the dating of this document now.
The enemy had superiority in numbers, his tanks were more heavily armoured, they had larger calibre guns with nearly twice the effective range of ours, and their telescopes were superior. 5 RTR 19/11/41

The CRUSADER Project - The Winter Battle 1941/42

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