War in Slovenia 6.4. - 14.4.1941

[Mark V.]

I see you can't read . Maybe you should read my both posts again. Before summer 1941 were there any collaborators? No is the answer.

[Southpower]

Great majority of Yugoslavian population joined allied forces. Those people understood what means to be under Nazifascist terror. Others joined to axes because they thought that Hitler is going to win the war. Domobrans relatives always mourn about everything but cant get the point.
There is no worse crime than to collaborate with Nazis and worlds history prooved that!

[Southpower]

"Tudi fašizem in nacizem sta naredila mnogo dobrega, a le tistim, ki so bili na pravi strani ..."
Poslanec SDS FRANC CUKJATI, v parlamentu.

If old politicians have that minds I am a little bit worried about who represents people in parliament.

[K.Kocjancic]

Let's start at the beginning.

Who started war against Germans and with this disobeyed orders of their own (still legal) govermant? Partisans.

Who started taking food and making people starving? Partisans.

Who started killing it's opponents? VOS (part of OF; OF was leading Partisans).

Who took charge of liberation of the nation and proclaimed it-self for only political force? OF (see Dolomitska izjava - this was against OF's post-war political plans - they were saying that after the war there will be free, democratic elections, but how could that be if there are no parties????

Who started revolution to over-take the political power? OF.


And you're still saying, that was wrong to defend itself against them?

BTW. How are you/ was your family involved into WWII?

Regards,
Kocjo

[Mark V.]

Mladen, you're absolutly right the majority did join the partisan movement, but this doesn't explain why some joined white, blue guard etc.

Now I hope you won't take this next suggestion the wrong way, but I would suggest you some further reading on this issue - a really good book, where you'll find all the answers is Zgodovina za 8.razred OS (20.stoletje).

z resnicno dobrimi nameni
Marko

P.S. strinjam se s stabo glede telih NSi-jevih poslancev, kot je recimo Bernik, pa recimo bivsi drzavni tozilec Drobnic, pa Tine Velikonja, pa Justin stanovnik.

[K.Kocjancic]

BTW. Couldn't find any good book on Domobranci war-crimes, that I would be using. Sorry!


Perhaps I should write one.

[Mark V.]

Caki, caki Kocjo. I'm sure "Juzni veter" will find some .

[K.Kocjancic]

What books or reasons?

[Mark V.]

I guess both .

[K.Kocjancic]

Btw. Zgodovina za 8. razred from Repe isn't good (at least that edition that I had it in school). There is no trace of post-war killing of Domobranci and other stuff.

[Mark V.]

I meant Nešović, Prunk: 20.stoletje.

[K.Kocjancic]

I meant Nešović, Prunk: 20.stoletje.

From me on to today is Repe's work for 8. grade, right?

Was Prunk in your times?

[Mark V.]

I seem to remember the situation in Greece was similar to the one in Slovenia. Communist partisans and a group made of different parties - EDES. The communists began a campaign against EDES and forced it to ask Italians/Germans for help. When the Brits came EDES became their ally and the communists their enemies.

The same would happen if the Allies went ahead with the invasion in the Balkans in 1944 - well at least according to dr. Rendulic (OB Pz.AOK2).

cheers

[Mark V.]

I meant Nešović, Prunk: 20.stoletje.

From me on to today is Repe's work for 8. grade, right?

Was Prunk in your times?

Things change so fast

[K.Kocjancic]

I think the same situation was in Slovenia/Yugoslavia - Novak/Mihajlović were recognized from Yugoslav goverment in exile as Commander of Yugoslav army in homeland for Slovenia/Minister of Defence and CiC of Yugoslav army in homeland.

But in 1944 Šubašić (IIRC ) and Tito signed agreement and from then on Četniki/Blue Guard/Yugoslav army in homeland were regarded as national traitors - why? Because they were still fighting the same enemy, but politicians (they should be shot ) switched sides.

Regards,
Kocjo