Taking Iran

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Taking Iran

Post by Lehr Division » 20 Jul 2002 03:40

Does anybody know any detail about The British and Soviet forces that link up at Kazvin,Iran and force the Iranians to accept the occupation of their country?

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Post by Ken » 21 Jul 2002 00:41

I'm also interested in this.
However, there was no actual battle as far as I know. The Iranian navy was destroyed before it was deployed, and the Shah was weak and quickly ordered surrender.

Britain used troops from Pakistan and India and attacked from the East.

That's all I know.

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Post by Lehr Division » 21 Jul 2002 01:43

Why would they attack? wasn't they Neutral ? :idea:

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Post by Tolga Alkan » 21 Jul 2002 17:09

Lehr Division wrote:Iranians to accept the occupation of their country?
Unfourtunately,i don't have answer but i just want to ask a question,who do want to occupation to their homeland?

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Post by Lehr Division » 22 Jul 2002 20:27

well obviously the English and the Russians did but for what reason? i don't get that?

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Post by Ken » 04 Mar 2003 01:57

I'll say it quickly.. Passage through Iran was needed to supply Russia.. Iran was neutral and refused.. Iran had "suspected German sympathies".. Britain asked Iran to kick out all German nationals in the country.. Iran refused.. Soviets invaded from the North.. British from Pakistan.. No battles.. Iran was not even mobilized.. The British navy attacked Iranian naval bases.. who didn't even put up a fight..

Both armies had spheres of influence.. Russia north.. Britain south.. The Shah was forced to resign.. His son steps in.. Lets the allies pass through Iranian land..

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Post by Zachary » 05 Mar 2003 00:46

Doesn't seem particularly fair to Iran. Oh well

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Post by Andy H » 05 Mar 2003 02:10

The Iraqi Air Force numbered some 50-60 a/c whilst the army mustered some 4 Divisions. of which 2 were stationed near Baghdad

there were several battles during the invasion of Iraq, mainly against the 3rd Iraqi Division.

British Army losses were around 100, whilst the RAF suffered 34 killed & 64 wounded and 28 planes either shot down or destroyed.

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urans is aryans

Post by average » 08 Mar 2003 03:42

i heard growing up that iran (persians) was ARYANS. so they probly like germans they is aryans to.

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IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND IRAN – OF RUSSIA AND THE RUSSIANS

Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 13 Mar 2003 06:02

Alan Moorehead (1910 - 1983 ) is a renown Australian journalist and historian-writer. In particular, he wrote the now classic book “Gallipoli”. During the WWII he was a war correspondent, mainly, - in the North Africa and Middle East. In 1944 he published one of the best books about the war in this region – “African Trilogy”. In this book one can find interesting pieces dedicated to the attitudes of the British towards their unexpected ally – the Soviet Russia and about his encounters with the Soviet soldiers and officers in Iran occupied by the Soviet and British troops in the autumn of 1941. They are here for your attention…


THE MIDDLE EAST - SUMMER 1941



The Middle East was almost an all-British sphere, full of all-British ways of thinking and some of them a little behind the times. The ritual of the salute and the hierarchy of the commissioned officer survived very strongly. That increasing left-wing movement among the soldiers and workers of England scarcely touched the Middle East. It is understandable that the political moves at the heart of the Empire do not penetrate its edges at once. Isolated in the desert and scattered outposts, the men craved reading matter more than anything else – and did not get it. This cut them off from the political and social trends at home.



In this self-contained and intensely unpolitical world the entrance of Russia on our side caught the serving officer off balance. The prime minister’s prompt and lucid speech on the Nazi attack upon Russia did a good deal toward making our position clear. But after that there was an immense gap in our internal propaganda on the subject. It was not easy for men reared in the public-school-university-city-regular-army atmosphere to adjust themselves suddenly to the idea that they were fighting side by side with the Communists. It was embarrassing and painful to see them struggling gainst their old loyalties. Some made no attempt. Others avoided the whole issue. The majority in the end achieved the necessary mental transition, and as the Russian resistance went on from day to day they began to take pride in the Red soldier.



For the average soldier in the British ranks no such mental upheaval was necessary. The conditions of labor in England in the late 1930s and the conduct of our foreign policy up to Munich had not exactly made him a passionate admirer of the Conservative Party. He had already traveled some distance toward the left. He was at this point a long way ahead of his officers in his appreciation of the Russian question.



But the soldier’s approach to the new political line-up was slow and cautious. He was starved of information. Where his officers lagged so far behind him politically he could not make much progress. All this may not have been important, but for the fact that still there came no pronouncement from London about the aims of this war. Through the previous winter in the Middle East it had been enough for the private soldier to know that his home in England was in danger and he was fighting for his life. But now that the crisis was past he could reasonably hope for the defeat of the enemy. To what end? Were we going to annihilate Germany? Were we going to rebuild the English cities and improve working conditions? Were we going to make a union with the United States? In the desert and the Delta, at sea in the merchant ships and in the remote garrisons of Malta and Cyprus, Aden and Basra, the men debated these points endlessly. Inevitably every argument turned toward Russia, Red Russia the Mysterious, the place of Moscow Trials, Bolsheviks, whiskers and Volga boatmen dressed in smocks. The ignorance was pitiful.



Yet as each day went by, the seeds of admiration for the reds began to take root through the camps and barracks of the Middle East and there was a growing feeling, ‘We must do something too’.



IRAN – AUTUMN 1941



…We had been passing groups of Indian soldiers encamped beside the road, and now on the third morning we came on their farthest outpost, a company of Gurkhas.



Their officer told us the great meeting between the British and Red forces had taken place the previous day, and now the Russians had withdrawn to Kasvin, some seventy kilometers farter on. Well, that was another story we had missed. We were too weary to care much about it anyway. I was beginning to loathe the whole adventure. We went on doggedly and presently someone said, ‘Good God, what’s that?’



It was a truckload of troops who seemed at first to be Nazis. They sat four abreast in gabardine tunics and jackboots. They had German helmets on their heads, and each man, sitting bold upright, clasped a rifle with a fixed bayonet. Where had I seen this before? A newsreel showing the Nazi entrance into Vienna? We ran alongside. Looking up into their faces, we saw young men with fair hair and blue eyes and round brown cheeks. Hand grenades were strapped to their waists and on their superb shoulders were strapped cartridge belts. Every rifle was automatic.



They never turned to look at us. They looked straight ahead, sitting there stiffly on the hard wooden seats of their truck, and the truck was running on caterpillars. I looked keenly at the nearest boy and his pleasant, peasant’s eyes were blank and rigid, and his great countryman’s hand was corded tightly round the barrel of his rifle. He was as erect as a birch tree. He wore a red hammer and sickle badge.



At that moment the great Red bluff was exploded for me forever. What about the poor anemic Russian infantryman who had no boots in Finland? And the dumb herds slaughtered by the Germans in the last war? And the peasant crushed by the OGPU?



It had been a fine bluff and it had been working steadily for more than two decades. Now at last the Soviets had been forced to show their cards.



And their cards were these young men, athletes all of them, with their iron discipline, their brand new modern weapons, their wonderful shining health. They had that strange thing you see occasionally in young men’s faces. It is a mixture of adolescent strength and spiritual resolve, and something else – pride, maybe. I had never seen troops like this before.



As we drove on into Kasvin, we came on one remarkable thing after another. Their were multiple pom-poms mounted on tractors that were designed to meet low-flying aircraft. These traveled with the convoys lorried infantry and filled the role a destroyer takes at sea. They had field guns too far off for me to see clearly, but obviously of a recent design. They had armored cars with a two-pounder gun and two-inch armor on the turret. These cars had eight wheels, two of which in the front could be jacked up clear of the road and used as spares or lowered to help the car across bad ground. They had steel field kitchens and wireless vans. They had streamlined aircraft, faster than our latest Spitfire (though these we did not see until later). They had many tracked vehicles and small scout tanks. All these weapons were in a spotless condition.



The men were in grey-green uniforms and light half-length black knee boots. Woven badges on their arms showed who was an electrician, who a wireless expert, who a tank mechanic and so on. The officers’ ranks were marked by little red enameled badges attached to their tunic lapels – four badges to a general. They all had heavy steel helmets.



Sentries twice sprang from ditches with hand grenades and stopped us. They carried Russian tommy-guns.



We came in the early afternoon to the hotel at Kasvin, the Russian army headquarters. There were red sentries and armored cars at the door, and the Persian servants, obviously frightened, were setting out a late luncheon on the dining-room table. One after another the Russian staff officers and commissars came in.



There must have been about twenty of them. They were rough, leathery, sweaty and cheerful. The senior political commissar, a round porcine little man, looked at me narrowly and said, ‘We met in Valencia in the Spanish war.’ I could not remember, but it seemed to reassure him greatly. I suppose he was doing one of those underground political jobs in Spain. The general, the last to arrive, was a soft spoken little man with deceptively gentle manners. A civilian interpreter had bobbed up from somewhere and explained that we were a party of British and American war correspondents on our way to Teheran.



‘Ask them to lunch,’ said the general; ‘we will discuss it later.’ The lunch continued until six in the evening. There was the stage where we ate cold chicken and chatted politely through the interpreter. The stage where we toasted Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill. The stage where we denounced the Germans and filmed one another with my miniature movie camera. The stage where we exchanged badges and sang folk-sings together. And, last scene of all, the stage where I drew off to my bedroom with a spitting head to type my dispatch.



Through all this toasting in fierce Persian vodka, the general was charming but adamant. Teheran, he said, was not yet occupied by the Allied troops. He, for his part, would be delighted to let us go through, but he had just made an agreement with the British general that no one should pass along the road. Let us produce a pass from the British general and he would countersign it at once an off we should go.



There was nothing for it but to drive back to British headquarters. Mundy and Patrick Crosse of Reuters, who had joined our party, volunteered to make the journey while the rest of us slept. They drove all night, were twice arrested by red sentries, and in the early morning got back with the pass. By ten o’clock we were on the road again.



IN TEHERAN



Governing everything was one dominating fear – fear, not of the British, but the Russians. In the last war the Russians had come into this country, they had seized Kasvin, the very town they now held again, and they had been ruthlessly severe. Every Persian I spoke to seemed mortally afraid of the Russians. The people of Teheran were spreading the most hair-raising stories of red rape, pillage and violence.



The German and Italian nationals also were petitioning that they should be handed over, not to the Russians, but to us. It was interesting to see that even after the bombing of England these remote little hangers-on of the Axis believed that there was still goodwill to be found for them among the British. And they had a proportionate fear of the Russians. I had seen the same thing at the fall of Addis Ababa. Even at the moment of their capture Italians and Germans will adopt a confident, almost insolent, manner because they have a conviction that they will be treated well by the British.



When we were waiting in Teheran for the departure of the Axis nationals and the dethronement of the Shah in favor of his son, we decided to visit the Caspian Sea where the Red Fleet was in occupation… We dropped at last below sea-level to the shores of the Caspian and drove into the flowering gardens of Chalus. Six Red sentries blocked the road.



Sam remembered a few Russian phrases and Clifford seems to be able to speak any language he likes after about ten minutes. Between them they made the introductions. Cluttered up with his tommy-gun and his hand-grenades, the Russian corporal bowed from the hips, an astonishing gesture, and told us to report to his officer a few kilometers east along the coast.



Now we were really enjoying ourselves. The Caspian was grey and limitless, a wonderful vision after the desert. From the green forests little mountain streams raced across the road into the black sand beaches. Two Russian destroyers lay at anchor, and again one felt that sudden uplift of excitement about the Red forces. From a distance these ships looked exactly like our latest destroyers, only a little more rakish and modern in outline. If fresh grey paint goes for anything, they were beautifully maintained. Two more sentries, tommy-guns braced evenly in their hands ready for action, blocked the way to the wharves. Strange uniforms only meant enemy to them, and we went forward keeping our hands elaborately away from our sides. Then the lieutenant came along in blue gabardine with a blue cap and an anchor badge on the band. He was absurdly handsome and his teeth were like an American toothpaste advertisement.



As soon as we approached, the two sentries saluted and jumped to attention; and at attention they stayed throughout the whole interview. When the officer called a marine along the beach the marine ran toward him, saluted, stood to attention while he got his orders, saluted again, and then ran back to his post.



These men were keyed to a discipline. I have yet to see in our army, or any other army. It may be that they are all comrades together, but the Red officer on the job gets the sort of skilled and immediate obedience we don’t often see off the parade ground. At Kasvin a sentry had been posted outside my bedroom door. It had been almost unnerving the way he had swept up to attention and a full salute when I merely appeared in the distance. Here on the Caspian this was no rehearsed parade for the benefit of foreigners. We had arrived unexpectedly, their first visitors, and probably, apart from Persians, the first foreigners these men had ever seen.



The lieutenant wrote us out a safe conduct at once. He grinned and seemed to take the whole thing in his stride and I would much like to have talked at length to him. All the rest of the afternoon we drove along the southern littoral of the Caspian to Ramsar…



The head policeman of Ramsar, bulbous, sweating and surmounted by a Prussian helmet, had met us on the steps. It seemed that the Russians had not called here yet, and in a long lyrical speech he offered us the surrender of the town. We took him inside and sat with him far into the night eating caviar and drinking vodka and lemonade. We were asked to go pig-sticking in the forest on the morrow, but declined. Each time the policeman spoke, he clipped his heels, bowed and raised his glass in a toast. He was very hot and very thirsty.



It soon turned out that all the stories of red atrocities were untrue. True, the Cossacks had frightened the people badly by riding through the town at a gallop. True, they had seized certain stocks of sugar and other provisions they needed. True, their aircraft had bombed Pahlevi, the town along the coast.



But their fleet had not opened fire. What had happened at Pahlevi was that at the last moment the Persians had attempted to camouflage their warships by decorating them with branches of trees and shrubs, which they had brought down from the hills. But then a Russian cruiser appeared and the crews took to their heels. The Belgian consul had saved the day by rowing out to one of the Persian ships and hoisting the white flag before the Russians attacked.



A word here about the Russian commissars. They wore the same uniforms as the soldiers and held similar ranks. They were responsible directly to Moscow and not to the army command. In all matters apart from operations, they appeared to have control. They handled the administration of conquered territories, the financial and economic affairs of the army and propaganda. They were the liaison between the soldier and the state. They were the governors of the army. They watched morale and were the authorities of all normal civilian affairs. They exerted considerable power. Thus when one Red officer, an engineer, wanted to show me a medal he had in his pocket and a photograph of his wife and children, I noticed that he first glanced quickly over his shoulder at the nearest commissar – in this case my fat friend from Valencia. The commissar nodded and the engineer displayed his souvenirs.



Clearly the suspicions of the Russians were boundless. They trusted no foreigner unless they had to. Yet before I left Persia the British and Russian commanders had worked out an agreement and it seemed to be operating smoothly enough. Little by little, relations became closer in Persia. A great highroad for supplies to Russia was developed through the country. With the occupation of Persia a continuous front from Murmansk to the Western Desert of Egypt was secured. The Russians had gone into Persia with six divisions, we with two. Not ten per cent of those forces were needed in action.



The casualties were trifling – perhaps a few hundred in all. For the Persian themselves only good could flow from the occupation, for their new Shah, who was crowned in Persia in September, broke the royal monopolies, opened the political prisons, paid the army, reduced the taxes and took advice. Food was quickly brought in to feed his famished subjects. It began to appear that there was some reasonable future ahead of the country despite the war.

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