Pictures from Yugoslavia 1941-1945: take a look!

G. Trifkovic · Post by **G. Trifkovic** » 22 Oct 2005 21:27

The pics are really good Ivane.

One can see immidiately who had time and chance to shave,and who was fighting in the woods... Apart from that, the fellow on the first pic looks either like

a) SDS/SDK man rather than chetnik
b) or a "legalised" chetnik delivering report rather than being interrogated-I'm sure many would agree...

Cheers,

Gaius

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 23 Oct 2005 09:24

rommel_gaj wrote:One can see immidiately who had time and chance to shave,and who was fighting in the woods...

What...?
Are you saying that "Prinz Eugen" men weren't fighting in the woods?
...is that what you're saying?
(

)
I'd rather say that you can clearly see the difference between soldier and a bandit.

Cheers,
Ivan

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 23 Oct 2005 09:48

rommel_gaj wrote:...the fellow on the first pic looks either like
a) SDS/SDK man rather than chetnik
b) or a "legalised" chetnik delivering report rather than being interrogated...

Original Kumm's caption:
Ein Cetnik wird befragt.
There you go...
On the other hand, you can see "reports" in Gospa Talić photo
and photo of that fellow with Kirchner. Yes. I'd say - definitely reports...

Cheers,
Ivan

streljko1 · Post by **streljko1** » 24 Oct 2005 00:07

Nice pics Ivan, for the first and third I am sure that were taken during Schwartz, but could on the second photo be italian prisoners forced to carry yugoslav wounded , these guys, don`t matter terible shape they are in, seem happy, second guy from the right is smilling, as we see on fourth photo captured partisans didn`t have any reason to smile, after all, they ended in such nice places like Jasenovac and Auschwitz, also guys on first photo are not tied , like those on last. Third photo is also interesting, captured partisan has on his left arm patch that obviously shows his rank something like that I see only on photos of dalmatian partisan officers and comissars during the period of 1942-1943.( if I`m wrong about "dalmatian only", correct me).
BTW who is SS-Ustuf. Kirchner, what unit did he command?

Also in case of G. Talić her precious report helped germans to capture Tito`s uniform, poor girl misunderstood their questions. That much about reports

Some photos from me:
Sdkfz 251/7 from 92nd Motorised Regiment wait for soldiers to clean the road from barricade placed there by partisans, late 1943. Soldiers on the photo could be from ustaša milia( black uniform) and Prinz Eugen. Location is unknown, but I suspect Dalmatia or Bosnia.

http://panzerkeil.dre.hu/harcjarm/spw/s ... al_251.htm

Some photos from M. Rako/S.Družijanić book “11. Dalmatinska udarna brigada”:
Partisans from 1st company 1st battalion during training (and posing) , near Makarska, november 1943.

2nd battalion soldiers attack german positions, Mljet island, april 1944.

G. Trifkovic · Post by **G. Trifkovic** » 24 Oct 2005 00:25

Jure,

I visited panzerkeil.de and found no captions. How do you know it's 92. mot.Regiment?

A question on all of you gentlemen: any photos of wartime Sarajevo? How about,say,Strugar?

Cheers,

Gaius

Zlatni ljiljan · Post by **Zlatni ljiljan** » 24 Oct 2005 01:10

Ivanwss wrote:
rommel_gaj wrote:One can see immidiately who had time and chance to shave,and who was fighting in the woods...
What...?
Are you saying that "Prinz Eugen" men weren't fighting in the woods?
...is that what you're saying?
( )
I'd rather say that you can clearly see the difference between soldier and a bandit.

Cheers,
Ivan

Hi Ivan,

I don’t agree with you regarding Partisans POWs photo. The photo wasn’t taken by some independent "Reuters" photographer or something – it was recorded by Germans who captured these Partisans or maybe Divisions propaganda section. In any case, Germans usually were "preparing" Partisans for photographing. I read about that in many articles and memoirs and I heard similar story from one veteran, ex-member of 16th Muslim Assault Brigade. He was captured by Germans somewhere on Romanija Mountain, with two of his friends. They first beat them, forced them to tear up their uniforms and make dirty their faces with mud. After all, when they looked enough miserable, they were photographed.

By the way, those Germans were probably from Prinz Eugen Division (14th SS Regiment).

Regards,

Dino.

streljko1 · Post by **streljko1** » 24 Oct 2005 11:05

Actually, same photo is in 1st number of "Husar" magazine, with caption that 251/7 belongs to 92. mot.Regiment, sorry, to use panzerkiel.de was much easier than scanning "Husar"
Pozdrav!

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 24 Oct 2005 12:57

Zdravo, momci!

Jure,
thanks for Sdkfz 251 photo; I've been on that website, but I missed that pic.
SS-Ustuf. Kirchner - division's Ic.
Btw, have you noticed that smilling POWs are (mostly) gipsies?
(G.Talić comment - good one

)

Gaj,
I saw some photo from Sarajevo the other day for sure.
I'll find it and post it.

Dino,
I'm not sure what do you mean by "don't agree" with me (don't agree with what)...?
Yes, photos show men of P.E. division with POWs (I wrote that).

First 3 photos were taken in 1944.
Last one was taken in June 1943.

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 24 Oct 2005 17:22

Here's something for Dino:

16.Muslim Brigade (NOV) in liberated Tuzla (liberated on 17.IX 1944.)
(source: "Jugoslavija u ratu 1941-1945", V.Strugar)

Civillians preparing ground for partisan airport in Živinice, near Tuzla (after liberation)
(source: "Jugoslavija u ratu 1941-1945", V.Strugar)

Medical course students in hospital of III Corps (NOV) in Tuzla, 3.II 1945.
Instructors: dr Miroslav Feldman (in the middle)
and (on his right) major dr Stanojka Đurić
(source: "Jugoslavija u ratu 1941-1945", V.Strugar)

For Gaj:

Srednje, near Sarajevo, end of March 1942.
From left:
(standing) Uglješa Danilović, Svetozar Vukmanović Tempo, Rato Dugonjić;
(sitting) Josip Jovanović Gorčin, Slobodan Princip
(source: "Jugoslavija u ratu 1941-1945", V.Strugar)

SS-Division "Prinz Eugen" command post in Kasindol, Sarajevo, 1944.
(source: "The history of the 7.SS Mountain Division Prinz Eugen", O.Kumm)

Commander of V SS-Frw.Geb.Korps, Artur Phleps, in Kasindol hospital, Sarajevo, 1944.
(source: "7.SS-Geb.Div. Prinz Eugen im Bild", O.Kumm)

Funeral of SS-Hstuf. Michel Reiser (Kdr.I/13, killed in Bosnia on 31.VII 1944.),
Sarajevo cemetery, August 1944.
(source: "7.SS-Geb.Div. Prinz Eugen im Bild", O.Kumm)

SS-Oberführer Otto Kumm at Reiser's funeral
(source: "The history of the 7.SS Mountain Division Prinz Eugen", O.Kumm)

Funeral of fallen men from "Prinz Eugen" Division, Sarajevo cemetery, August 1944.
(source: "7.SS-Geb.Div. Prinz Eugen im Bild", O.Kumm)

(last one-)
Czechoslowakian minority in Sarajevo, 1. V 1945.
(source: "Jugoslavija u ratu 1941-1945", V.Strugar)

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 24 Oct 2005 19:41

Another interesting photo:
Pavelić's meeting with Friedrich von Paulus (Golubinskaya, near Stalingrad, 24. IX 1942)
(source: "Jugoslavija u ratu 1941-1945", V.Strugar)

G. Trifkovic · Post by **G. Trifkovic** » 24 Oct 2005 22:14

Thanks for posting,Ivan. I can actually see the graveyard (Sveti Josip) from my window. Next time I'm home,I'll try to find the German section...

Cheers,

Gaius

streljko1 · Post by **streljko1** » 24 Oct 2005 22:38

Pozdrav Gaju!

On this photo are soldiers from 2 bat/11. dal. brigade with NZ soldiers in front of Tribunal building in Trieste, 1. may 1945, building is still held by group of germans who refused to surender to yugoslav troops(yugoslav troops came first) that situation led to negotiation between NZ and YU troops, finally NZ agreed to help with tank fire yugoslav attack, prisoners belong to yugoslavs,and NZ troops will post guard in front of the building. With the dusk, NZ tanks fired at the Tribunal for 30 minutes, and after that 2. battalion stormed the building, only to find it empty, at first they thought that NZ tricked them, but then one slovene from Trieste informed them that germans are hiding in underground bunker, he also showed them where is entrance to bunker.
Bunker was well defended, germans were determined not to surrender(not even after partisans throw at them dozens of granates and fired few panzerfausts).
Finally somebody got idea to drown the germans using the hidrant, and after water reached dangerous level, around 50 germans surrendered. Near the Tribunal bunker were more underground tunells, so all resistance was broken on 3.may.

G. Trifkovic · Post by **G. Trifkovic** » 24 Oct 2005 22:47

Great! It so good to know story each picture has behind it! What do you think,does the above-written explain this comradely act?

It makes sense,I believe...

Lijep pozdrav,

Gaj

streljko1 · Post by **streljko1** » 24 Oct 2005 22:49

Here are few more photos from Rako/Družijanić book:
Soldiers from 2. com./4.batallion/11dal. brigade on the road Bazovica-Ilirska Bistrica 30.04.1945.

4 battalion/11dal. brigade in Trieste:

While yugoslav soldiers inspect captured T-34 AEC of 1.tank brigade moves to new position, near Ilirska Bistrica, I guess,1945.

streljko1 · Post by **streljko1** » 24 Oct 2005 22:58

Well, according to many yugoslav soldiers, ordinary NZ soldiers were very friendly, they shared with them cigarettes, chocolate, so such friendly scenes were common, also many dalmatians have relatives in NZ(my family too), so they were glad to see soldiers from the country "known" to them.
Different relations were with officers, and when big political issues came, everything turned around.