Pictures from Yugoslavia 1941-1945: take a look!

[Ivan Ž.]

Next time I'm home,I'll try to find the German section...

Check out if there's a grave of Michel Reiser.

Cheers,
Ivan

[Zlatni ljiljan]

Hi Ivan,


Maybe I misunderstood you, but Gaj’s comment on POWs photo was:

One can see immidiately who had time and chance to shave, and who was fighting in the woods...

…and you said:

I'd rather say that you can clearly see the difference between soldier and a bandit.

Is that mean that these tidy guys from Prinz Eugen were soldiers, and these unshaved and untidy Partisans were Bandits?
I only want to say that this photo isn’t relevant source for such comparisons and I explained that.


Anyway, thank you very much for these new photos, they are wonderful, especially 16th Muslim brigade. This photo was taken in December 1944 after heavy fighting near Tuzla with Chetnik forces who planned to occupy the city. At that moment, many former members of General Nedić’s SDK and even a Chetniks from Serbia were in this brigade. In January 1945, chief of staff was Major Milivoje Koprivica, former Chetnik officer who joined to NOVJ. Interesting fact, isn’t it?


BTW, if you (or somebody else) maybe more interested for Partisan priests, you can find more photos in book called "Krst i Polumjesec u Božurovom Dolu", written by Mensur Seferović. The book was published in Belgrade in 1985, I think. You can find two photos of Partisan Imams in this book too; one of them is Zahid ef. Havić, Imam of 1st Proleterska brigade. He was captured and executed by Ustashe during battle of Sutjeska. Second photo shows Imam and Orthodox priest in Dubrovnik. I forgot their names, but picture is very nice. I read that book few months ago and it’s very interesting.

Best regards,

[Ivan Ž.]

Maybe I misunderstood you, but Gaj’s comment on POWs photo was:

One can see immidiately who had time and chance to shave, and who was fighting in the woods...

…and you said:

I'd rather say that you can clearly see the difference between soldier and a bandit.

Is that mean that these tidy guys from Prinz Eugen were soldiers, and these unshaved and untidy Partisans were Bandits?

, I guessed it was that, but your reply somehow looked strange to me (perhaps I was just tired).
Anyway, I was just joking with Gaj (mada - u svakoj šali pola istine ).

And thanks for various infos.

Cheers,
Ivan

[Ivan Ž.]

...and these unshaved and untidy Partisans were Bandits?

Btw, Otto Kumm wanted to make this point exactly in his History of the division:
under last POW photo I've posted (June 1943) is following caption
- "Herzegovina: Captured partisans. This was the Bolshevik fighter".
Typical German propaganda for enemies (I've already mentioned that on "Wochenschau" thread),
which always represented enemies as ugly as it could.

So, I copied a bit of their propaganda (just for laughs;
so what, communists used the same thing for četniks).

At that moment, many former members of General Nedić’s SDK...

Did you mean "SDS"?

Cheers,
Ivan

[Kim Sung]

A Serbian general and his subordinates captured by the 6th Panzer division of Kleist's 1st Panzergruppen.

Who is this general?

Photographed on April 9, 1941

[Kim Sung]

After attacking Niš near Morava river, the German 11th Panzer division of the 1st Panzergruppen under the command of Kleist are advancing. You can see Panzer II and Sd. Kfz. 251 here. On the left side, a Yugoslav truck is burning. This is a rare color snapshot photo.

Photographed on April 8, 1941

[Ivan Ž.]

Nice photos, killchola.

I've never seen second one.
It was taken at the same time as one I'm posting (quite famous photo),
which can be found in almost all WWII books.
Some sources claimed it was taken in Russia,
but I also know it as photo taken in Yugoslavia.



(source: for example "Der Zweite Weltkrieg", K.Zentner)

[Victor]

killchola, please, sources for the images.

[Ivan Ž.]

Btw, photo with surrendering Yugoslav soldiers finaly proves
that second photo was definitely taken in Yugoslavia, and not in Russia (same road, same place).

[Zlatni ljiljan]

At that moment, many former members of General Nedić’s SDK...

Did you mean "SDS"?

Cheers,
Ivan

Oh yes, I mean SDS (Srpska državna straža). Lapsus "tastaturae" .


Let’s go back to Waffen-SS in Yugoslavia. Here are some SS-Handschar Division pictures, scanned from Zija Sulejmanpasic book.

Photo #1 – volunteers into Waffen-SS are dressing SS uniform for the first time. I’m not sure is this photo already posted by some other forum member…?

Photo #2 – Dizdarevic brothers from Cazin; photo was (probably) taken in Neuhammer, during training period.

Photo #3 – SS-soldiers reading leaflet made by Division’s propaganda section. Photo was probably taken in end of February 1944, before Handschar moved across Sava River.

[Kim Sung]

killchola, please, sources for the images.

Sorry, these photos are from バルバロサ作戰 (Operation Barbarossa).

I largely depend on Japanese sources because they are superior to English sources in quality and quantity.

[Kim Sung]

Nice photos, killchola.

I've never seen second one.
It was taken at the same time as one I'm posting (quite famous photo),
which can be found in almost all WWII books.
Some sources claimed it was taken in Russia,
but I also know it as photo taken in Yugoslavia.

When you face several contradicting sources on a fact, you'd better take a Japanese source. Generally speaking, Japanese sources are superior to those of English, German or Russian ones because Japanese have peculiarity of accuracy on numbers, facts, descriptions and analyses.

[Ivan Ž.]

Let’s go back to Waffen-SS in Yugoslavia.
Here are some SS-Handschar Division pictures, scanned from Zija Sulejmanpasic book.

Photo #1 – volunteers into Waffen-SS are dressing SS uniform for the first time.
I’m not sure is this photo already posted by some other forum member…?

This photo was also published in Kumm's History of P.E.,
next to this interesting photo (also "Handschar"):
(orig.caption) Shoes yesterday and today

[Ivan Ž.]

One more interesting photo I've found in local newspapers
- during cleaning of Ministry of Foreign Affairs building in Belgrade, a couple of years ago,
under tons of dirt, two German "V" letters were found...

[Victor]

When you face several contradicting sources on a fact, you'd better take a Japanese source. Generally speaking, Japanese sources are superior to those of English, German or Russian ones because Japanese have peculiarity of accuracy on numbers, facts, descriptions and analyses.

killchola, that is a racist comment, something which isn't usually tolerated on AHF.