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Post by G. Trifkovic » 28 Jan 2007 16:47

Funeral of Partisans in Zagorje, summer of 1944: note the red stars on the crossses (!).

From "Slobodna Jugoslavija"

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Post by dog » 08 Feb 2007 14:15

first pic...yugoslav troops at rijeka (fiume) may 1945
that vehicle is m7 priest,self propelled gun 105mmm...
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Post by pavle » 09 Feb 2007 09:20

We have seen a lot of fighting on all pictures posting here..
Lately i had a discussion with a Greek who mentioned that in the whole Greek campaign more German casualties were inflicted by Greek partisans than by the Yugoslav partisans in the whole Yugoslav campaign...

Can someone give a estimation of German forces KIA/WIA/MIA in all them 5 years in Yugoslavia??

PS sorry for adressing this question here, but i did not find it necessary to open a new topic on this one...

All the best..

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Post by pitman » 09 Feb 2007 17:14

I don't have my books handy, but that seems very difficult for me to believe. The Greek partisans never shifted over to conventional warfare, and engaged in few stand-up fights with the Germans and Italians. They could do things such as harass the German withdrawal from the country (which they did so quite well), but that is not the sort of thing to generate significant casualties. I strongly suspect that Greek partisans killed more fellow Greek partisans (ELAS vs. EDES) than they did Germans and Italians.

The Yugoslavs, on the other hand, were engaged in significant fighting from 1942 through 1945, including conventional actions as well as guerrilla fighting and sabotage. They fielded dozens of divisions (better organized and armed than ELAS divisions), which were eventually organized into first corps, then armies. Heavily armed by both Western and Soviet sources (to a much greater degree than the Greeks), they engaged in significant large-scale conventional fighting from the fall of 1944 through May 1945.

It would seem very unlikely to me that, given all this, that Greek partisans managed to kill more Axis than Yugoslav partisans.

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Post by Topspeed » 12 Feb 2007 09:37

streljko1 wrote:Few pictures from site http://www.modrojezero.org/docs/history/WWII/index.html, dedicated to Imotski, small town in Dalmatia and its surrounding area.


Germans(118JD I guess) and Ustaše inspect wreck of plane shot down over Imotski, Ričice,august 1944.:
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Any idea what plane is this and who and how was it downed ?

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Post by streljko1 » 12 Feb 2007 10:52

Hello mr.Topspeed,
According to http://www.modrojezero.org/docs/history ... vioni.html

"30. kolovoza, srijeda – 1243. dan rata / Izvješće GSD: Kod Imotskog, u Ričicama oboren neprijateljski zrakoplov, najvjerovatnije tipa Ventura a 5 članova posade zarobljeno".
"30.august, Wednesday-1243.day of the war/ Report of GSD(Main HQ of Home Guard): Near Imotski, at Ričice enemy plane shot down, most likely type Ventura and 5 crewmembers were taken prisoner"

Plane is Lockheed Ventura, earlier in the text is mentioned German AA unit located in Glavina near Imotski, so that unit could be responsible for downing.

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Post by Addi » 13 Feb 2007 16:17

This thread is the best resource for WWII photos from Yugoslavia on the web!
Great job and keep them coming

I will contribute with scanned pictures of my grandfather and his comrades very soon.
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 16 Feb 2007 15:04

streljko1 wrote:Germans(118JD I guess) and Ustaše inspect wreck of plane shot down over Imotski, Ričice,august 1944.
I believe it's an SS unit, probably "Prinz Eugen";
they were in Imotski in summer of 1944.
Notice that topless man is wearing SS camo trousers...

"Prinz Eugen" in Imotski, summer 1944.
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(source: "Prinz Eugen im Bild", Kumm)

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Post by streljko1 » 16 Feb 2007 16:39

Thanks, for the info and picture Ivan, I belive that on the picture with plane are soldiers from different units,including PE, do you know what part of PE was there in august 44?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 16 Feb 2007 16:45

Sorry, no further info (yet)...

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 18 Feb 2007 13:02

Here's something for Gaius - German-Chetnik relationship :)

"Ein Cetnik"

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(source: eBay; seller: ew1969wehrmacht)

This is a photo of an unknown chetnik which was sent to
SS-Ustuf. Karl Schäffer of "Prinz Eugen" Division.

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(source: Otto Kumm)

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Post by G. Trifkovic » 19 Feb 2007 04:52

Thanks Ivan, for this wonderful photo. Just look at that warm face radiating with happiness...just can't beat the Balkans when it comes to that... :lol:

Partisan poster (from "Slobodna Jugoslavija"), announcing a temporary suspension/relaxation of curfew during the Christmass holidays 1943 in the town of Koprivnica/Croatia:
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Post by G. Trifkovic » 19 Feb 2007 05:14

Can someone give a estimation of German forces KIA/WIA/MIA in all them 5 years in Yugoslavia??
Schmider (p. 589) gives a number of some 10,300 KIA and 3,800 MIA for the period May '41-August '44, when the war fought in the country could be described as "anti-guerilla war". Number of wounded would be some three times as big;
Author continues that the overall German losses in the South-East from June 22 1941 to March 31 1945, including those in actions in Greece, Albania and against the Soviets and Bulgarians amount to 20,276 KIA and 21.800 MIA;
It should be noted, however, that from March till May 1945 large, mostly frontal battles where fought between the Germans and the Yugoslav Army; so far I haven't seen any reliable statistics, but losses must have been heavy. Operations ended in May '45 with close to 100,000 Germans captured.

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Post by streljko1 » 23 Feb 2007 07:07

Gaius, I would also add to your post that first operations that inflicted significant casualties to larger German formations (divisions or +) started during late 1944( liberation of Serbia and Dalmatia), before that, Yugoslav succesess were against regimental or battalion sized formations.

Total German losses in Yugoslavia is riddle with too many unknown parts to be guessed, some of conflicting numbers:
7.SS lost in capture of Split(sept.1943) according to one report KIA/WIA/MIA 91/577/89 and according to Kumm 242 killed.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=104967

500. SS losses in Drvar operation were according to 7. June XV Corps report 277 casualties(61 KIA, 205 WIA and 11 MIA), but according to 5. June report losses were 145 KIA, 384 WIA and ? MIA.
Pelješac operation in late 1943. costed German from around 300 casualties(most quoted, I got exact number somewhere) to hundreds of killed(some Croatian reports).

German losses during Brač raid(june 1944) were according the Yugoslav reports 350 KIA and 220 MIA, later Yugoslav researchers claimed that first number is inflated(with such losses,+ the wounded, Germans could not continue with effective defence), but German report(possibly incoplete?) give losses as 42 KIA, 150 WIA and 11 MIA(quoted from K.Pribilović „IV Pomorski obalni sektor mornarice NOVJ 1943-1945“), 1. and 11.Dalmatian brigade alone reported around 100 prisoners, not to mention that captured equipment(3 75 mm guns, 6 mortars 81 mm, 20 MG, 1 A.A. MG, 2 HMG, many rifles) indicate many prisoners.
So if anbody has more info about mentioned figures, please help!

About German losses in last months of war:
Some sources say that 264.ID dropped to around 2.000 soldiers after Knin operation.
I doubt that 369,373 and 392. divisions together had in the end enough men to organise one division(each had around 3.000 officers and soldiers, including battalion sized reinforcements that were added(especially to 369 ID, which was reorganised each time after Vukov klanac, Mostar and Sarajevo operations).
Most if not all of Axis troops that held Kvarner gulf islands Cres, Krk, Pag, Rab and Lošinj were killed or captured during final offensive of 4th Army.


Aso, not to wander far of topic, photo of 3. Oversea brigade troops in landing craft, summer 1944:

http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slika:Prek ... rcanje.jpg
From: http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prekomorske_brigade_NOVJ

Check this out, some pics are from Yugoslavia:
http://beute.pz1.ru/Beutepanzer/main.htm
Police t-34(on last picture T-34 destroyed in Opicina):
http://beute.pz1.ru/Beutepanzer/su/t-34 ... police.htm

Pics of Pz.Abt. 202 vehicles(italian M15/42 and M13/40 tanks, Da 75/18 SPG; french S35 and H39; Jagdpanzer 38(t) "Hetzer" and another military equipment) after capitulation in Slovenia, now in Yugoslav hands, notice painted star over svastika:
http://beute.pz1.ru/Beutepanzer/italy/t ... 5_42-2.htm
http://beute.pz1.ru/Beutepanzer/italy/t ... 5_42-3.htm

Pics from last two links were taken from this book:
http://www.panzerwrecks.com/pw2info.html

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