From Demographics of UkraineSid Guttridge wrote: ↑12 Jan 2021 23:18Hi ljadw,
You can quibble about how many million, (your 2 million estimate is easily the lowest I have seen), but the fact remains that even by your figure Soviet policy killed millions of Ukrainians in a singe year. Just 15 years of that equals your 30 million.
As it was, Ukraine seems to have had an absolute minimum of four years between 1932 and 1944 in which an average of some 2 million of its people died. Other estimates are higher.
However you slice it, your proposition that "You can't kill 30 million Ukrainians." is demonstrably untrue.
Given enough time, malice or malign neglect, killing 30 million Ukrainians was demonstrably doable.
Mao showed that over 1958 to 1962 when anything between 15 and 55 million people died.
What is more shocking is that that the primary focus of the Germans over 1941-44 wasn't on killing Ukrainians. This was incidental. In the Soviet and Chinese cases it seems to have been down to disastrous policy decisions that induced famine.
How much worse might it be if genocide was the main intent, rather than just a by-product?
1933 : 2,104,000
The 7 million are the victims (probably exaggerated ) for the famine in the WHOLE of the USSR.
Population of Ukraine
1933 32,456 million
1934 30,910 million
1939 : 33,425 million
1940 ( expanded territory ): 40,65 million
1950 :36,9 million
1959 : 42,155 million
It is obvious that the Oxford figures are wrong : if the population of Ukraine in 1945 was only 32,6 million (40,6 - 8 million losses in WWII ) ,this would mean that in 4/5 years the population would have increased by 4,3 million (difference between 36,9 and 32,6 = 1 million/800000 per year ,and this without the other losses : countless Ukrainian left (voluntarily/forced ) their country during the war,which would result in an even lower figure in 1945 .
About the impossibility of killing in a few years 30 million ( or more ) people, I remain to my point : the Einsatzkommandos could not in 5 years kill 30 million people, = 6 million a year or more than 100000 a week : logistically this would be impossible, politically also as it could not be kept secret .
That, because or as an indirect result, of Mao's/Stalin's agricultural policies millions of people died,is a totally different point .