1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

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1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by wm » 01 Jan 2022 22:53

They aren't dying, they were expelled in retaliation for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 and later.

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by LineDoggie » 04 Jan 2022 17:10

wm wrote:
01 Jan 2022 22:53
They aren't dying, they were expelled in retaliation for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 and later.
Many of those So Called Palestinians left because the arab league told them to get out of the way while they fortified areas to fight from.

Didnt work out when you put your trust in an Army(s) thats motto is Insh'allah where officers lead from the back

Kimche, J., & Kimche, D. (1960). A clash of destinies: The Arab-Jewish War and the founding of the State of Israel. New York: Praeger. pp. 232-233
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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by Waleed Y. Majeed » 04 Jan 2022 18:01

Hmmmm… kind of one-sided if the above is a quote by the Kimche brothers. I mean considering their background - that is if one is to believe wiki… eh, wink wink.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kimche
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Kimche

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by wm » 04 Jan 2022 19:10

LineDoggie wrote:
04 Jan 2022 17:10
Many of those So Called Palestinians left because the arab league told them to get out of the way while they fortified areas to fight from.
The problem is they were/are forbidden to return.

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by Linkagain » 05 Jan 2022 19:40

When I ment by dying...not physically dying...but despite their Long Exhile {jews in Ethiopia and Yemen first settled there in the time of King Solomon; Jews in Iraq settled in the Time of Prophet Ezra] the time for still staying there there host countries...is about over....only by going up to Eretz Israel can they survive...it is the rements that still stay In Glat {Exhile} in these countries that will die out...Soon the Arab/African States dream will be true.....Judenfrei....

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by wm » 06 Jan 2022 23:10

I doubt Arab/African states dreamt about Jedenfrei.
The Ottoman Empire (Turkey + Arab/African states) was a haven for the Jews. They not only enjoyed autonomy there but prosperity and wealth that even allowed them to own slaves.
The Turkish Jews massively supported the liberals - the Young Turks (despite the fact they killed some Armenians) and as result, they controlled the second-largest portion of the country's wealth post ww1.

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by pugsville » 06 Jan 2022 23:36

LineDoggie wrote:
04 Jan 2022 17:10
wm wrote:
01 Jan 2022 22:53
They aren't dying, they were expelled in retaliation for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948 and later.
Many of those So Called Palestinians left because the arab league told them to get out of the way while they fortified areas to fight from.

Didnt work out when you put your trust in an Army(s) thats motto is Insh'allah where officers lead from the back

Kimche, J., & Kimche, D. (1960). A clash of destinies: The Arab-Jewish War and the founding of the State of Israel. New York: Praeger. pp. 232-233
Propaganda. Not actually true at all,

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by NickA » 12 Jan 2022 21:32

pugsville wrote:
06 Jan 2022 23:36
Propaganda. Not actually true at all,
Its really pretty outrageous to claim what's been posted there.
Meanwhile, over in "International reaction to Saddam Hussein's genocide of the Kurds in Halabja" I've been told there is a law which requires civilians to flee.
Needless to say, when 1/2 million Israelis fled their homes in Northern Israel in 2006 nobody told them they'd lost the right ever to return.

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by NickA » 12 Jan 2022 21:45

They were bombed (Egypt, Iraq, Morocco) by the Zionists, tricked (Yemen) by the Zionists and cajoled (Morocco) by the Zionists to abandon their homelands.

Many of these brown people were desperately unhappy in the very racist white society they discovered when they arrived. It took some years to discover how bad things were but when they realised, many sought to return. When news of this campaign reached the countries they'd left (but only in the early 70s) many of their countries they came from invited them to return, either in speeches or adverts in newspapers (including in the US). Israel would not let them go and hounded down the "Black Panther" groups that had arisen among the Mizrahi.

However, I don't think this discussion should be going on in here - not only has it nothing to do with the World War but the facts of the case have been outrageously distorted and lied about.

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by Sid Guttridge » 13 Jan 2022 18:30

It seems to me that they aren't literally dying.

They were expelled or left for Israel after 1948. In the initial link they are shown as numbering up to 950,000 in 1948. As about two thirds of Israel's 6-7 million people are their descendants, they probably now total 3 or 4 times the 1948 total.

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by NickA » 14 Jan 2022 20:57

pugsville wrote:
06 Jan 2022 23:36
LineDoggie wrote:
04 Jan 2022 17:10
Many of those So Called Palestinians left because the arab league told them to get out of the way while they fortified areas to fight from.
Propaganda. Not actually true at all,
If it had been true that the population were urged to flee then that would have zero effect on their absolute right to return to their homes by every possible legal and moral code. A principle that Holocaust survivors are enforcing by law in Poland and other places. Not just their homes, but "communal property", cemetries and schools. (Its alleged there's been some obstruction but only squatters and perhaps their armed forces dispute the moral and legal case).

However,the history we've been offered is also totally untrue - there was no such effort by "Arab" sources to induce the population to flee.

This is Erskine Childers, the grandson of a well known Irish patriot and writer who worked for the BBC. Subsequent to this article he became a leading official in Irish television.
the London weekly "The Spectator" May 12, 1961 (paywall) wrote:... While in Israel, however, I met Dr. Leo Kohn, professor of political science at Hebrew University and an ambassador-rank adviser to the Israeli Foreign Office. He had written one of the first official pamphlets on the Arab refugees. I asked him for concrete evidence of the Arab evacuation orders. Agitatedly, Dr. Kohn replied: "Evidence? Evidence? What more could you want than this?" and he took up his own pamphlet. "Look at this `Economist' report," and he pointed to a quotation. "You will surely not suggest that the `Economist' is a Zionist journal?"

... I decided to turn up the relevant (October 2) 1948 issue of the 'Economist.' The passage that has literally gone around the world was certainly there ... Seen in its place in the full `Economist' article, it was at once clear that Dr. Kohn's quotation was a second-hand account, inserted as that of an eye-witness at Haifa, by the journal's own correspondent who had not been in that city at the time.

And in the rest of the same article, written by the Economist correspondent himself, but never quoted by Israel, the second great wave of refugees were described as "all destitute, as the Jewish troops gave them an hour, in which to quit, but simultaneously requisitioned all transport."
The full text of this article is (or has been) available at many other links.

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by Sid Guttridge » 15 Jan 2022 10:26

Jordan's Arab Legion was only about 12,000 strong and couldn't defend all the Arab populated towns. They told this to their leaders. As a result the undefended Arab populations were primed for flight, something which the Israelis were only too happy to trigger. The refugees' assumption was that the UN would intervene and they would soon be back home. They are still waiting. Many families reportedly still have their house keys!

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by pugsville » 15 Jan 2022 11:34

Sid Guttridge wrote:
15 Jan 2022 10:26
Jordan's Arab Legion was only about 12,000 strong and couldn't defend all the Arab populated towns. They told this to their leaders. As a result the undefended Arab populations were primed for flight, something which the Israelis were only too happy to trigger. The refugees' assumption was that the UN would intervene and they would soon be back home. They are still waiting. Many families reportedly still have their house keys!

Cheers,

Sid.
Based on what? What does primed for flight mean? How was anything communicated? and what actual evidence do you have?

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Re: 1948 to the present .....Arab Jewish Communites are dying

Post by Sid Guttridge » 15 Jan 2022 13:37

Hi Pusville,

First, which bits of that are you disputing?

This might address some of your questions from the military standpoint: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/1 ... 4517725541

You might also try:

Morris, Benny (1986). The Causes and Character of the Exodus from Palestine in Pappé, Ilan. The Israel/Palestine Question. Routledge, 1999.

Morris, Benny (1987). The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947–1949. Cambridge University Press.

The two towns to look at particularly closely are Lydda and Ramle.

Cheers,

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