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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Yuri » 01 Feb 2023, 10:44

mezsat2 wrote:
01 Feb 2023, 04:54
Yuri wrote:
31 Jan 2023, 15:02
mezsat2 wrote:
31 Jan 2023, 04:42
Does Russia have a contingency plan in the event of the meltdown of all 7 reactors at the ZPP? One would think after Chernobyl they sort of know what would happen. Does Putin care? He may split for Venezuela from what I'm hearing.
Which 7 (seven) reactors are you asking about?
There are only 6 (six) reactors at the Zaporozhye NPP, the largest in Europe.
Actually, the reactors themselves at these nuclear power plants are indestructible for artillery shells, aviation bombs up to 500 kg. and aircraft falling on them. The danger lies in the possibility of destruction by artillery shells of a repository with nuclear waste, which will lead to contamination of the area with nuclear materials.
The danger lies in the cutoff of power to the plant. Without power, there's no way to cool the reactors. That means meltdowns. Only 6? Well, that's not too bad. LOL
Such a danger exists on the types of reactors that are installed at Fukushima.
The type of VVER-1000 units are installed at the Zaporozhye NPP. On blocks of this type there is an emergency cooling system of the zone (in Russian - SAOZ) with triple redundancy in all parts, that is, a triple reserve of both technological and electrical circuits. At the same time, diesel generators in electrical circuits operate in the "hot" reserve mode. The diesel generators come out at full power in 15 seconds. During these 15 seconds, water (with a boron concentration of 16 g/kg) is discharged into the reactor cooling system from a special tank.
Complete cooling of the reactor takes place within five days.
These three SAOZ systems on the VVER-1000 units are independent.
Electrical diagram of the emergency zone cooling system for VVER-1000 block types.
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GV - Diesel generator
BA - 6 kV bus for own needs of normal mode
BV - 6 kV diesel generator bus
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 01 Feb 2023, 22:05

Apparently a Russian military commentator has claimed on Russian state television that the VDV, the elite Russian paratroop arm, had lost 40%-50% of its men as casualties by September last year. As it was originally 45,000 or more men strong, this would mean that the VDV alone has lost at least 20,000 men. This would translate to about 5,000 dead and about 15,000 wounded. However, in September Russia announced it had "only" suffered 5,937 military dead in total throughout its armed forces. One can't accuse the VDV of not trying!

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 02 Feb 2023, 00:07

In the North, some villages have fallen to Wagner but the northern communications is already sealed off anyway.

In the South, Wagner appears to be stuck in front of Chasiv Yar and the highway, the Ukrainian defense being aided by the terrain features.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Gorque » 02 Feb 2023, 01:18

Well this would sure complicate matters for the invaders:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-expect ... lewebshare

This would surely help in ridding Ukraine of the infestation that now afflicts it.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Gorque » 02 Feb 2023, 01:27

Yuri wrote:
01 Feb 2023, 10:44
mezsat2 wrote:
01 Feb 2023, 04:54
Yuri wrote:
31 Jan 2023, 15:02
mezsat2 wrote:
31 Jan 2023, 04:42
Does Russia have a contingency plan in the event of the meltdown of all 7 reactors at the ZPP? One would think after Chernobyl they sort of know what would happen. Does Putin care? He may split for Venezuela from what I'm hearing.
Which 7 (seven) reactors are you asking about?
There are only 6 (six) reactors at the Zaporozhye NPP, the largest in Europe.
Actually, the reactors themselves at these nuclear power plants are indestructible for artillery shells, aviation bombs up to 500 kg. and aircraft falling on them. The danger lies in the possibility of destruction by artillery shells of a repository with nuclear waste, which will lead to contamination of the area with nuclear materials.
The danger lies in the cutoff of power to the plant. Without power, there's no way to cool the reactors. That means meltdowns. Only 6? Well, that's not too bad. LOL
Such a danger exists on the types of reactors that are installed at Fukushima.
The type of VVER-1000 units are installed at the Zaporozhye NPP. On blocks of this type there is an emergency cooling system of the zone (in Russian - SAOZ) with triple redundancy in all parts, that is, a triple reserve of both technological and electrical circuits. At the same time, diesel generators in electrical circuits operate in the "hot" reserve mode. The diesel generators come out at full power in 15 seconds. During these 15 seconds, water (with a boron concentration of 16 g/kg) is discharged into the reactor cooling system from a special tank.
Complete cooling of the reactor takes place within five days.
These three SAOZ systems on the VVER-1000 units are independent.
Electrical diagram of the emergency zone cooling system for VVER-1000 block types.
Electrical diagram of the SAOZ for VVER-1000 block.jpg

GV - Diesel generator
BA - 6 kV bus for own needs of normal mode
BV - 6 kV diesel generator bus
GBI (UZ) - Rechargeable battery
If the plant is so safe, then why have all the reactors been shut down? The shutting down of the reactors should have nothing to do with the on-site storage of the spent fuel. So then why shut down the reactors if the fail-safes are so redundant and reliable?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Gooner1 » 02 Feb 2023, 02:28

Russian advances at Bakhmut since August 2022



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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 02 Feb 2023, 14:36

If the Ukrainians had any sense of reality ,which they don't have ,the proofs are evident, they would not believe any word of the promises of the coward liars/lying cowards who rule the West who promise tanks but don't even not know how many tanks they have and how many of these tanks are operational .
Take Germany
1 The Ministry of Defense said that there were 320 Leo2s in warehouses( dixit CNN ) all at different stages of state,repair and combat readiness.
Thus a totally meaningless information
2 Rheinmetall said that it had 139 Leos in stock (also meaningless ),but only 29 could be made in state of readiness this Spring (and we know that the Spring lasts 3 months ,thus also meaningless ),and also 88 Leo1s who could be delivered in ONE YEAR (again meaningless )
3 FFG (a rival of Rheinmetall ) said that it had 99 Leo1s ,but as these are older than 40 years, they are good for under the bus ( again meaningless information )
4 The most important figure :how many Leo2s are there with the tank units of the BW and how many of these are combat ready ? NO answer :the BW does not know it or wants to keep this number hidden or wants to keep it hidden that it does not know it .
Source :Artsakh

Result : Germany promises to send 14 tanks (FOURTEEN !!),but refuses or is unable to say when they will arrive and what is the source of these tanks
is it
1 The warehouses ?
2 Rheinmetall?
3 FFG ?
4 The tank units of the BW ?
And why only 14 ?
If there are hundreds in the warehouses ,why does Germany refuse to send more than 14 ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 02 Feb 2023, 15:31

ljadw wrote:
02 Feb 2023, 14:36
If the Ukrainians had any sense of reality ,which they don't have ,the proofs are evident, they would not believe any word of the promises of the coward liars/lying cowards who rule the West who promise tanks but don't even not know how many tanks they have and how many of these tanks are operational .
Take Germany
1 The Ministry of Defense said that there were 320 Leo2s in warehouses( dixit CNN ) all at different stages of state,repair and combat readiness.
Thus a totally meaningless information
2 Rheinmetall said that it had 139 Leos in stock (also meaningless ),but only 29 could be made in state of readiness this Spring (and we know that the Spring lasts 3 months ,thus also meaningless ),and also 88 Leo1s who could be delivered in ONE YEAR (again meaningless )
3 FFG (a rival of Rheinmetall ) said that it had 99 Leo1s ,but as these are older than 40 years, they are good for under the bus ( again meaningless information )
4 The most important figure :how many Leo2s are there with the tank units of the BW and how many of these are combat ready ? NO answer :the BW does not know it or wants to keep this number hidden or wants to keep it hidden that it does not know it .
Source :Artsakh

Result : Germany promises to send 14 tanks (FOURTEEN !!),but refuses or is unable to say when they will arrive and what is the source of these tanks
is it
1 The warehouses ?
2 Rheinmetall?
3 FFG ?
4 The tank units of the BW ?
And why only 14 ?
If there are hundreds in the warehouses ,why does Germany refuse to send more than 14 ?
Simply contradicting anything anyone says as always without making sense . The ukranians have received a lot of weapons from the west so they know they can believe promises.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 02 Feb 2023, 16:20

Wagner is engaging both Bakhmut and Siversk salient, apparently opportunistically.

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Ukraine has reported that they moved more reserves to the left-wing of Z-Oblast.

Russian sources report that the Ukrainians have moved 80th Brigade to the reinforce the Ugledar area. Ukraine is silent on this so far.

https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-342-summary/
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 02 Feb 2023, 16:41

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Russian sources claim that they expanded their positions on the Kreminna salient over the past 24 hrs. Not confirmed yet by Ukrainians.

🔻In the Liman sector, servicemen of the 3rd MsD of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, with the support of artillery, are attacking the positions of the 66th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Balka Zhuravka. There is fierce fighting at the heights.

▪️Almost simultaneously, the soldiers of the 144th Division broke through the defensive lines of the 19th Composite Battalion of the TRO and established control over three firing positions. At one of the sites of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they almost reached Yampolovka.

▪️In addition, the assault groups of the Russian Armed Forces began to advance on the positions of territorial defense to the south-west of Dibrov in the area of the Serebryansky forestry. Tro formations retreated to spare lines for regrouping.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Tom Peters » 02 Feb 2023, 18:47

Cult Icon wrote:
01 Feb 2023, 05:19

So my personal estimate of 300,000 men in Ukraine was not far from his claim. Eventually the Russians will add more than 200,000 additional troops to Ukraine.
So now UKR sources are good enough for you and do not constitute propaganda ? Such a change of heart.

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Post by Gooner1 » 02 Feb 2023, 18:50

Wagner tactics, from a Russian source:
1/ The Wagner Group's 'human wave' attacks, which have left the area around Bakhmut and Soledar strewn with the bodies of dead Wagner fighters, have been described in detail by a Russian source. It explains the brutal calculations behind Wagner's seemingly suicidal tactics.
2/ The 'Russian Criminal' website, which is linked to the VChK-OGPU Telegram channel, reports what a source – likely within Wagner – has told it about the mercenary group's approach to using recruited convicts to attack Soledar, sustaining huge casualties along the way.
3/ "The most experienced and well-prepared group of stormtroopers comes first, with excellent equipment. It's comprised of eight men, each with a 'Bumblebee' [possibly meaning an RPO-A Shmel thermobaric rocket launcher, effective against fortified positions].
4/ "Whatever happens, the group must reach the firing line. "Whatever happens" is not a turn of phrase, but a task, the failure to complete which will end in execution [by Wagner], regardless of any [mitigating] factors.
5/ "Once fire contact has been made [with the enemy], the group digs into positions. Digging in is taught as meticulously as combat operations, so by military standards, digging in is almost instantaneous and very effective.
6/ "The area the group has reached is marked (a rag on a tree or something similar). Even if the group is demolished to zero, the next one already realises where the previous one has reached. The main task is to make contact, dig in and transfer positional data to the artillery.
7/ "Artillery can fire from an hour to several hours. And here is the first cause of conflict with the [Russian] army: if there are not enough shells, instead of a successful attack you get hopeless meat from the stormtroopers.
8/ "The first group is followed by the second, also eight men, but with much lighter equipment. Their task is to jump into the positions as soon as the artillery shells finish their work.
9/ "Sometimes there is an order not to wait for the shelling to end – the 'Musicians' are so disciplined that they will go anyway, because they stand a fighting chance of surviving.
10/ "Nowadays there are not enough shells and because of that the first groups hardly survive – the main blow is coming at them and even training does not solve all the problems there.
11/ "Even before, losses in the first group were inevitable, but now the survivability of groups as a whole has fallen to critical values. And to replace them with just anyone increases costs even more, and the influx of people has now collapsed.
12/ "Groups of 8 people go in waves - usually 4 waves are prepared for the attack. But there have been cases in Soledar where it took 14 waves to take one area. Of course there were survivors, but the casualties were a hundred or more. That's for one section.
13/ "Groups have drone operators to lead the whole group into position to clear the area. At the same time, the lightly wounded do not slouch and do not lie down – for that, they could shoot you in the legs and leave behind.
14/ "This tactic is the only possible way to achieve results and advance in such conditions. The line of defense in Soledar has been cleverly constructed for years, the army command has neither the possibility nor the desire to advance there.
15/ "That's basically why the task was handed to Wagner.

From the outside, it may look unreasonable to take such a high casualty rate deliberately, but try to look at it in a different way: even 4 waves of 8 men – that is 32 men killed at the worst.

16/ "Throw in even a regiment – they will lose much more and even they will fail to cope with the task. In percentage terms they will lose less, but in absolute numbers, more. Therefore losses of over 50% for an attack are not bad, if there is a result.
17/ "There is much less manpower for assault groups now, shells are also in short supply. And if the artillery is suppressed, then no one will call the stormtroopers back anyway, they just mop up without cover.
18/ "If there are more groups in reserve, you can send in 5, and 6, and 7 waves, just to finish the result. This is not an army, here it is better to have more initiative than to underdo it.
19/ "The 'Musicians' have their own training – with a crazy intensity, if you are without experience – but they teach a very narrow range of tasks.
20/ "And the newcomers from the penal colonies are very well disciplined: first they are shown video executions, then very soon they encounter their first real examples, and then they get used to such discipline completely.
21/ "Another plus from this [in contrast to the Russian army] is that it is not the practice in Wagner to reassign those [qualified as] artillery gunners to the stormtroopers, unless as punishment. Good gunners are also worth their weight in gold.
22/ "The army will not be able to replace Wagner in hot areas, this is not even considered. In modern warfare, the number of soldiers is not an indicator at all. But, again, the question remains open – what to do about the shortage of shells (120 and 80 mm)?
23/ "There is a concept of "efficiency relative to the situation", and so this efficiency can be high, but if the situation is deadlocked, then the main issue is still not resolved.
24/ "Exchanging people for territory is beneficial when the territory is small and people in reserve are plentiful. If, on the other hand, you have to chop for every metre and people have become scarce, problems begin to arise.
25/ "As a result, losses are growing and progress slows down. The recruitment of convicts at first gave a full-flowing river of people, now they are gone. At the beginning of the war there was talk of Syrian mercenaries, some even came. But they are not fit for this war.
26/ "Among the 'Musicians' they say aloud that "we're about to put the squeeze on and take everything here." But among themselves, everyone expects that we will be removed from the assault on a number of directions.
27/ "And even if a large mobilisation begins right tomorrow, it will not be possible to immediately recruit refuseniks in the required numbers, but they still need to be run in, brought to the desired condition, …
28/ "because otherwise it will not even be possible to spend them effectively. It takes time, it takes a lot of shells. And we have neither one nor the other."

Source:
https://rucriminal.info/ru/material/idushhie-na-smert
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1621 ... 75426.html

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Tom Peters » 02 Feb 2023, 18:51

Sid Guttridge wrote:
01 Feb 2023, 22:05
Apparently a Russian military commentator has claimed on Russian state television that the VDV, the elite Russian paratroop arm, had lost 40%-50% of its men as casualties by September last year. As it was originally 45,000 or more men strong, this would mean that the VDV alone has lost at least 20,000 men. This would translate to about 5,000 dead and about 15,000 wounded. However, in September Russia announced it had "only" suffered 5,937 military dead in total throughout its armed forces. One can't accuse the VDV of not trying!

Cheers,

Sid.
I wish we could understand in more clarity what 50% losses meant. 50% casualties from the combat elements (serious attrition) or 50% of the total strength (units are entirely fought out).

Given the cycle time to adequately train high grade replacements, it would not appear that VDV units retain much of their elite edge, based upon these reports.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Tom Peters » 02 Feb 2023, 18:56

ljadw wrote:
02 Feb 2023, 14:36
If the Ukrainians had any sense of reality ,which they don't have ,the proofs are evident, they would not believe any word of the promises of the coward liars/lying cowards who rule the West who promise tanks but don't even not know how many tanks they have and how many of these tanks are operational .
Pretty strong words given that these same governments have delivered previous equipment they promised. IFV, artillery, ammunition, air defense, etc. Why start doubting now ?

Every government is a bureaucracy where the wheels grind slowly (dont I know!).

Why the sudden impatience to get western tanks in theatre ? Are you now a supporter of UKR ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 02 Feb 2023, 19:20

How much of the equipment that was promised was delivered?
And the equipment that was delivered arrived AFTER the Russian failure .
Poland has 247 Leo2s and promise to deliver,without saying when , 14 Leos .
Is that a serious promise or an empty promise ?

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