The mystery of Stalin's death

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The mystery of Stalin's death

Post by Marcus » 24 Feb 2003 19:55

Fifty years ago, on 5 March 1953, the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin died.
His political life as a dictator who dominated millions has been minutely dissected over the decades.
But his last days continue to provoke speculation and argument.
Did he die of natural causes following a brain haemorrhage or was Stalin killed because he was about to plunge the Soviet Union into a war its people were in no position to fight?
The night of 28 February began in the usual manner for Stalin and his closest political circle, Lavrenty Beria, Nikita Khrushchev, Nikolai Bulganin and Georgi Malenkov.
They watched a film in the Kremlin then retired to Stalin's country home, 10 minutes outside Moscow, for yet another night of feasting.
By the early hours of 1 March, Stalin's guests had gone back to their homes in Moscow.
What happened next was out of the ordinary for a man as obsessed with security as Stalin. He gave an order for his guards to retire for the night - he was not to be disturbed.
This change to Stalin's normal behaviour intrigued Russian historian Edvard Radzinski, and a few years ago he tracked down one of the guards on duty that night, Pyotr Lozgachev.
It was Lozgachev's testimony of that night that led Radzinski to speculate about what might really have happened.
The guard confirmed that it was not Stalin who gave the guards the order to go to bed, rather the order was conveyed by the main guard Khrustalev.
"Stalin would taunt the guards by saying 'Want to go to bed?' and stare into our eyes," Lozgachev said. "As if we'd dare! So of course we were glad when we got this order, and went off to bed without thinking twice."
The guards slept late the following morning, and so, it seemed, did Stalin. Twelve o'clock, one, two o'clock came and no Stalin.
The guards began to get worried, but no one dared to go into his rooms. They had no right to disturb Stalin unless invited into his presence personally.
At 6.30 a light came on in Stalin's rooms, and the guards relaxed a little. But by the time 10 o'clock had chimed they were petrified. Lozgachev was finally sent in to check on Stalin.
"I hurried up to him and said 'Comrade Stalin, what's wrong?' He'd, you know, wet himself while he was lying there. He made some incoherent noise, like "Dz dz". His pocketwatch and copy of Pravda were lying on the floor. The watch showed 6.30. That's when it must have happened to him."
The guards rushed to call Stalin's drinking companions, the Politburo. It was their tardiness in responding and calling for medical help that put questions of doubt in Radzinski's mind.
Did they already know too much and so did not need to hurry to the "old man's" side?
Mr Radzinski says Yes. He asserts that Stalin was injected with poison by the guard Khrustalev, under the orders of his master, KGB chief Lavrenty Beria. And what was the reason Stalin was killed?
"All the people who surrounded Stalin understood that Stalin wanted war - the future World War III - and he decided to prepare the country for this war," Mr Radzinski says.
"He said: we have the opportunity to create a communist Europe but we have to hurry. But Beria, Khrushchev, Malenkov and every normal person understood it was terrible to begin a war against America because the country [Russia] had no economy.
"It wasn't a poor but a super-poor country which was destroyed by the German invasion, a country which had no resources but only nuclear weapons.
Did they already know too much and so did not need to hurry to the "old man's" side?
Mr Radzinski says Yes. He asserts that Stalin was injected with poison by the guard Khrustalev, under the orders of his master, KGB chief Lavrenty Beria. And what was the reason Stalin was killed?
"All the people who surrounded Stalin understood that Stalin wanted war - the future World War III - and he decided to prepare the country for this war," Mr Radzinski says.
"He said: we have the opportunity to create a communist Europe but we have to hurry. But Beria, Khrushchev, Malenkov and every normal person understood it was terrible to begin a war against America because the country [Russia] had no economy.
"It wasn't a poor but a super-poor country which was destroyed by the German invasion, a country which had no resources but only nuclear weapons.
"It was the reason for his anti-Semitic campaign, it was a provocation. He wanted an answer from America. And Beria knew Stalin had planned on 5 March to begin the deportation of Jewish people from Moscow."
As always in Russia, conspiracy piles on conspiracy. Some saw buses parked all round Moscow to take away the Jews. Others glimpsed special barns erected for the deportees in Kazakhstan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2793501.stm

/Marcus

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Post by Gwynn Compton » 25 Feb 2003 10:40

Didn't Beria try and seize control after Stalin's death?

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Post by Psycho Mike » 25 Feb 2003 15:48

Wow Marcus great find! Here in America Joe McCarthy warning that the Soviets were planning to strike America is still greeted with derision. If this article is true, he was on the right track. My own feeling is that he was the wrong man with the right message, but clearly Stalin's plans to round up the Jews that hadn't denied their religion for the party, and plans to launch an attack on the United States shows he wasn't far from Hitler in his ambitions.

I hope I live long enough to see the plays, films and books that continue to portray Stalin and his supporters as misunderstood, non threatening and victims erased. Gone into the same pit that the pro-Hitler plays, films, etc. have vanished into.

As for who killed him- I'm just glad they let him die. The result of keeping him alive, would have resulted in a nightmare far beyond Tail Gunner Joe's wildest claims.

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Post by Starinov » 25 Feb 2003 23:05

There is an excellent book on that subject written by Abdulrakhman Avtorkhanov: The Death of Stalin. The author is one of the leading sovietologists.

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Post by Caldric » 26 Feb 2003 02:32

Gwynn Compton wrote:Didn't Beria try and seize control after Stalin's death?

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According to Radzinsky who's book I have read 3 times now yes this was in fact the a possible outcome. Beria did try to gain control but the others were ahead of him, he was executed soon after.

According to Radzinsky there were trains ready to deport the Jewish population, and there were already plans that were starting up. It started with the Doctors trial and would branch out from there much like the Kirov Murder trials did into the great purge of mid and late 1930's.

There could have been a great purge of the Jew's in the USSR that would have easily matched the German actions of WWII. Would the West go to war over a second Extermination program? I think they very well would. However we are talking Truman here and not FDR so is hard to say.

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Post by Mike K. » 26 Feb 2003 03:12

There could have been a great purge of the Jew's in the USSR that would have easily matched the German actions of WWII. Would the West go to war over a second Extermination program? I think they very well would. However we are talking Truman here and not FDR so is hard to say.
I don't think even FDR would risk nuclear annihilation to prevent Jews being deported. I don't know if the Russians had the arsenal yet in the early 50s, but the sheer size of the Soviet empire would buy them plenty of time.

You're right, Truman was keen not to plunge the world into another bloody world war. Those Jews would receive humanitarian aid and transport to Israel rather than a full scale invasion of the Soviet Union.

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Post by LeoAU » 27 Feb 2003 04:31

The guards rushed to call Stalin's drinking companions, the Politburo.
:lol: How anyone can take this article seriously after this?

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 28 Feb 2003 20:05

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Post by Psycho Mike » 01 Mar 2003 16:38

I have a death mask of John Dillinger. American outlaw. Hope it isn't haunted!

On eBay if you type in WILLIAM SHATNER LIFE MASK you'll find dealers who sell them. NOW THAT'S SCARY!

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Post by Caldric » 01 Mar 2003 18:51

LeoAU wrote:
The guards rushed to call Stalin's drinking companions, the Politburo.
:lol: How anyone can take this article seriously after this?
Why? It is a known fact Stalin liked to stay up late and drink and eat with his inner circle of men, I think they are talking about the people he was up drinking with the night before. Why is that hard to believe?

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Post by Psycho Mike » 01 Mar 2003 19:01

Thank you Caldric!

I think this topic should be changed to- THE MYSTERY OF STALIN'S MURDER.

And I'm just glad someone did it! 8)

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Post by RedGuarD » 01 Mar 2003 19:23

Nonsense! Stalin wasn't stupid to purge USSR into a 3rd WW right after the 2nd. He didn't want to conquer anything.

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Post by tobbe » 02 Mar 2003 23:42

RedGuarD wrote:Nonsense! Stalin wasn't stupid to purge USSR into a 3rd WW right after the 2nd. He didn't want to conquer anything.
What about the baltic states,eastern Poland and Finland?

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Post by LeoAU » 03 Mar 2003 01:20

Caldric wrote:
LeoAU wrote:
The guards rushed to call Stalin's drinking companions, the Politburo.
:lol: How anyone can take this article seriously after this?
Why? It is a known fact Stalin liked to stay up late and drink and eat with his inner circle of men, I think they are talking about the people he was up drinking with the night before. Why is that hard to believe?
O please, you did understand what I meant. The author said 'drinking companions, the Politburo'. Like drinking companions is the Politburo. He didn't say drinking companions from Politburo, or his Politburo drinking companions. Tell me if you can't see that Politburo=drinking companions.

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Post by The Desert Fox » 17 Mar 2003 10:39

If a person did indeed inject Stalin with Poison, I applaud them. To me their would be no greater recipitant of the award of "Hero of the Soviet Union". No person would be more deserving of such an award for ending the life of that butcher. Its a pity no person could have ended his life earlier!

Imagine the positive effect on the USSR population, if he had died in the mid 1920s, and a more sane leader had taken power.

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