Korean War

Discussions on other historical eras.
South
Member
Posts: 3590
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 10:01
Location: USA

Korean War

#1

Post by South » 29 Jul 2018, 17:07

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... -war-27152


Good morning all,

Above is thought nutrition for thought.

FWIW: "China had only one concentrated arms-producing area before Truman relieved me."

Note article's "... the world as a whole." Where where Checkpoints Alpha, Bravo and Charlie ? Was a Quartermaster mortuary unit assigned to the Berlin Brigade ?

I have a hunch it was more than the weather and radioactive debris.

Note that NATIONAL INTEREST is as partisan a pub as the rest of 'em in the arena.


~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA

User avatar
Robert Rojas
In memoriam
Posts: 2658
Joined: 19 Nov 2002, 05:29
Location: Pleasant Hill, California - U.S.A.
Contact:

Re: RE: The Korean War - (Nutrition For Thought).

#2

Post by Robert Rojas » 30 Jul 2018, 07:51

Greetings to both brother South and the community as a whole. Howdy Bob! Well sir, in respect to your introductory posting of Sunday - July 29, 2018 - 7:07am, old yours truly was wondering what madness has motivated you to broach this topic of interest! Well, I believe both you and I touched on this and other peripheral matters over on the WHAT IF subsection of the forum. Now, just to jog your memory, it was entitled as KOREAN WAR SCENARIOS and the author went by the nom de plume of Von Schadewald with a creation date of Sunday - April 30, 2017 - 10:25am. Beyond that, I believe General MacArthur's hyperbole got the bettor of him. As far as I know, the newly formed Peoples Republic of China has no credible armaments production capacity of its own. When the Peoples Republic of China chose to challenge the United Nations coalition on the Korean Peninsula, the Peoples Liberation Army was ostensibly equipped with varying collection American, Japanese and Soviet gear left over from both the Second World War and Chinese Civil War. The only credible source of supply for the Peoples Liberation Army was Joseph Stalin's Workers Paradise. Oddly enough, the Soviet trained North Korean Army was much better equipped and supported organization when it invaded South Korea in June of year 1950 than the Peoples Liberation Army of China could ever hope to be when it crossed the Yalu River in November of year 1950. Now, on the ever contentious topic of the use of atomic weapons, I believe that General MacArthur had a case for their potential use, but needless to say, "others" did not quite see it that way. I rather suspect that the "others" were more concerned with potential events in Europe if the situation went "atomic" in both Northeast Asia and the Soviet Far East. Yes, your hunch is not that far off the mark. It involved much more than meteorlogical conditions and radioactive fallout. The cabal that is the Fourth Estate does and will always have its ulterior motives. Well, that's my two initial two cents worth on this now vintage topic on the United States of America's now forgotten war from yesteryear. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in the Old Dominion that is the Commonwealth of Virginia.


Best Regards,
Uncle Bob :idea: :|
"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it" - Robert E. Lee


South
Member
Posts: 3590
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 10:01
Location: USA

Re: Korean War

#3

Post by South » 30 Jul 2018, 14:47

Good morning Uncle Bob,

Was it General MacArthur's hyperbole or his eligibility as a presidential candidate ?

Now for the environment; Did Japan have any viable political component seeking to have Japan remain neutral during the Cold War ? Could the US maintain a strong...or, at least, decent, military presence in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines and a few other places on China's periphery concurrent with handling flareups - such as French IndoChina and Algeria - and inducing France to accept rearming West Germany to address the OSTPOLITIK ?

From my view - and my view is far from the definitive view - it's less loadouts of arms, ammunition and explosives and more so if Senator McCarthy would vote for the required appropriations in a domestic environment of fluoride in the drinking water, dangers lurking under every American bed and the labor strife concurrent with the police action.

Of course it was about Europe.

Well, rather than spending a couple of Hong Kong coins with the Queen's picture on them, I'd love to have a picture of Sigmund Rhee's blond Austrian Frau.......for historical research.


~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA

User avatar
Robert Rojas
In memoriam
Posts: 2658
Joined: 19 Nov 2002, 05:29
Location: Pleasant Hill, California - U.S.A.
Contact:

RE: Fluoridation And Precious Bodily Fluids.

#4

Post by Robert Rojas » 30 Jul 2018, 18:16

Greetings to both brother South and the community as a whole. Howdy Bob! Well sir, in respect to your posting of Monday - July 30, 2018 - 4:47am, old yours truly is always amazed how much of this historical era is often overlooked or is simply ignored these days. Apart from the Korean War itself, domestically, President Harry Truman had to deal with the national railroad strike which initiated on August 25, 1950 and went on for next twenty one months with the United States Army functioning as its provisional operator. In addition, there was the ongoing Marshall Plan over in Europe that would have its own economic and strategic implications long after its technical conclusion in year 1951. Then you have actors like the France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Portugal attempting to swim against the tide of history with their continued notions of Colonial Empire which are also making life interesting for both the Foreign Policy and National Security types in the District of Columbia. On top of all of that, then you have the whole sordid matter of atomic espionage involving Ethyl and Julius Rosenberg and the incremental rise Joe McCarthy on the domestic political scene with all of his subsequent baggage. And so it goes. Finally, I would never EVER worry about your view being far from the definitive view. Compared to many other folks out here in the Disneyland that is the Axis History Forum, your point OR points-of-views are often at the very apex of rationality! As for myself, it should be fairly obvious to all that I am afflicted with a terminal case of CRANIAL RECTITUS. As the good book says, THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! Well, that's my latest two cents worth on this vintage slice of Americana from yesteryear - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in the Old Dominion that is the Commonwealth of Virginia.


Best Regards,
Uncle Bob :idea: :) :wink: 8-) :thumbsup:
"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it" - Robert E. Lee

South
Member
Posts: 3590
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 10:01
Location: USA

Re: Korean War

#5

Post by South » 31 Jul 2018, 11:15

Good morning Uncle Bob,

Well received.

Saw this a few hours ago but then could not transmit; satellite link lost due to adverse weather. We citizens, both documented, undocumented, and those needing more photocopies of documents, are being punished ... not for rejecting peer-reviewed global warming but for not believing Al Gore's dad worked for a coal company. Dad had also been a US Senator from Tennessee with all this illustrating America's version of primogeniture.

......

We must look for trends and minimize the prominent personalities - unless the personality is ipso facto a trend - eg FDR. We historians, especially at AHF, must avoid developing new Oberammerau Passion Play presentations.

Truman added to his political environment; ...

He initiated the racial desegregation of the US Army and later the rest of the military. Believe a Secretary of the Army had to be fired for refusing to comply with the Truman Executive Order.

He fought Taft Hartley labor law amendments and lost. Taft Hartley was enacted over Truman's veto.

Senator McCarthy became a "public" figure on the national scene circa 1950. It was post Korean War when the Army-McCarthy hearings occurred but, again, the - trend - was present. One of McCarthy's legal-beagles at these hearings was RFK of brotherly later Presidential fame.

Now, again, McCarthy and his list of Communists in the State Department - and elsewhere - didn't start with him. The earlier House of Representatives "HUAC" House UnAmerican Activities Committee was an earlier McCarthy version. HUAC investigated the Communist Party USA but not the Klu Klux Klan.

How do you say "politically charged environment" auf Japanese and Korean ?! What is just as scary as Secretary of State Dean Acheston's refusal to address McCarthy's list of State Department employees whom McCarthy said were Communists, ... was the overall foreign policy and national security crowds and their brilliance.

Meanwhile, back in Middle America, ... ... the kids of the WWII and Korean War veterans were going to school and some were learning why Francisco Goya's "Inquisition Scene", 1812-19, was and remains famous.

~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA

Globalization41
Member
Posts: 1453
Joined: 13 Mar 2002, 03:52
Location: California

Re: Korean War

#6

Post by Globalization41 » 31 Jul 2018, 19:22

Hey guys. Here's a few supplemental observations. … Communist insurgencies were everywhere. Mao had just taken over China. There were less than a thousand Americans in Korea when the war started. There was recently the Berlin Airlift. ... Stalin could have easily blocked access to Berlin. But he didn't want to commit Soviet forces to war. The Allied airlift called his bluff. ... Stalin supplied the North Koreans then advised them to invade the South. It was a logical strategy. Korea was the last beachhead on the northeast Asian mainland with a pro-U.S. government. ... The Soviets would not be directly involved in the Korean War. Stalin recommended Mao help North Korea since the war was in China's backyard. ... … Finland saved itself, but eastern Europe (down to Bulgaria) fell to communism. The "Domino Theory" was in full force in 1950. The U.S. represented the forces of democratic-capitalism, saving South Korea and protecting western Europe from communist governments. McCarthy's medicine worked, but became an overdose later. (Stalin's spies did not join the Communist Party, but remained underground instead. Most of McCarthy's targets were just ideological supporters of communism.) ... The U.S. blocked Communist power grabs as much as feasibly possible in Indo-China, but communist expansion continued, although more slowly than it had in China. ... Maoist ideology inspired the last Communist victory in Cambodia. Thailand was in line for the next ISIS-like power grab, but the Thais successfully defended their neutrality (in part) by allowing U.S. air bases to support the defensive war in Indo-China. Communist expansion was delayed before it overtook Thailand. … After Cambodia, communism became economically ill. The ideology had no immunity to the Laws of Math. ... China kept its name, but changed its team, like the Cleveland Browns. (Stalingrad should have kept its name too, in my opinion. The Russians could have exploited the name to draw in tourists. After all, the Battle of Stalingrad is one of the most famous battles in history. Changing Stalingrad's name was like as if the U.S. had rechristened Gettysburg.)

Globalization41.

User avatar
Robert Rojas
In memoriam
Posts: 2658
Joined: 19 Nov 2002, 05:29
Location: Pleasant Hill, California - U.S.A.
Contact:

RE: Fluoridation And Precious Bodily Fluids.

#7

Post by Robert Rojas » 31 Jul 2018, 22:27

Greetings to both brother Globalization41 and the community as a whole. Howdy G-41! Well sir, in respect to your posting of Tuesday - July 31, 2018 - 9:22am, old yours truly was wondering when you were finally going to make your appearance within the ongoing parody that is the BOB & BOB SHOW out here in the forum's Siberia known as OTHER ERAS. Welcome aboard! Like brother South and myself, I have often suspected that you are also of the same generation that was born and came of age during the bad old days of the now quite distant COLD WAR. In terms of your sage supplemental observations, I believe that I can safely say that you are preaching to the choir when it comes to the weltanschauung of both Brother South and old Uncle Bob. Oh, and by the way, your incredibly detailed historical NEWS LINES are also something to behold. You must have the patience of Jobe to piece those timelines together! Incidentally, I hope you're getting a good hoot out of brother South's varied COLD WAR threads out here in the OTHER ERAS section of the forum. Finally, when OR if you are so inclined to do so, you might want to check out a thread entitled as KOREAN WAR SCENARIOS which is located within the WHAT IF section of the forum. The thread's author goes by the nom de plume of Von Schadewald and its creation date is Sunday - April 30, 2017 - 10:25am. You might get a chuckle or two out of it. Who knows, you might even want to put your two cents worth into that hypothetical exercise. So, with all of that said, DO NOT BE A STRANGER OUT HERE! Well, that's my latest two Yankee cents worth on this nostalgic topic from yesteryear - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in your corner that once upon a time was our Golden State of California.

Best Regards From the Greater San Francisco Bay Area,
Uncle Bob :idea: :) :wink: 8-) :thumbsup:
"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it" - Robert E. Lee

South
Member
Posts: 3590
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 10:01
Location: USA

Re: Korean War

#8

Post by South » 31 Jul 2018, 22:46

Good afternoon Globalization 41,

...and to continue with the additional messy part; ...

Besides the Communist insurgencies, there were the irredentist movements, with many attracting Communist involvement.

India was proclaimed independent along with the partitioned-off Pakistan.

The 1946 Transjordan accelerated the rebuilding of the "Third Temple" to be named "Israel".

The Dutch five sovereignty to their East Indies, less the New Guinea section until 1963.

There was a new government in Egypt with King Faruk going into exile in Rome and living on Coke and girls (funded by Suez Canal tolls ?)

Iran had a coup d' etat.

I once gave a presentation - about 50% of attendees knew me - with one of the "talking points" leading off with: The 1954 French victory at Dien Bien Phu. Divided France had a political component seeking to exit IndoChina so as to save Algeria. Here, too, add word "messy".

Was it the US 8th Army in Korea that was reorganized 3 (three) times during combat during the Korean War ?

Globe, you're being awarded a Gold Star with Gold Clusters; never again will there be a slow day at AHF ! The - greatest battle ever - ?! Iris Chang votes for Nanking. St Cyr is divided between Waterloo and one of the Crusades. Where is Yorktown ? Where is Trafalgar ? This is a "heavy" matter. Here, mentioning the Civil War battles, and the Civil War Roundtable Club discussion groups will not be adjourned even at Waffle House because it's 24/ 7 open. Less agreements and more heated discussions.

Like Truman said: "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog" !


~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA

Post Script; Globe, you brought up some real good points. I'm still thinking about the "infiltration" of Stalin's agents into US organizations. Ya got me going on this. Over the years, having grown up when Senator McCarthy was still around, had always thought - later on - that the Communist infiltrators were concentrated in places like MacArthur's SCAP HQ, Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers - and related Far Eastern places....less so than the Washington, D.C. agencies like the State Department. Will be thinking about this and overriding the talk shows.

User avatar
Robert Rojas
In memoriam
Posts: 2658
Joined: 19 Nov 2002, 05:29
Location: Pleasant Hill, California - U.S.A.
Contact:

RE: Fluoridation And Precious Bodily Fluids.

#9

Post by Robert Rojas » 01 Aug 2018, 00:19

Greetings to both brother South and the community as a whole. Howdy Bob! Well sir, in respect to your posting of Tuesday - July 31, 2018 - 12:46pm, old yours truly believes that you've really outdone yourself on this one! From this day forward, let it be known that the OTHER ERAS section of the forum shall be deemed for both now and forever as THE WAFFLE HOUSE! Since THE WAFFLE HOUSE will operate around the clock, It will make no difference how BIG or how SMALL the issue, the discussion will go on ad infinitum! Oh, and by the way, there actually is a WAFFLE HOUSE here in ever bucolic Pleasant Hill, but it's only open for breakfast! What is especially annoying is the International House of Pancakes in the neighboring City of Walnut Creek for it is NOT a twenty four hour operation either! That ostensibly leaves CHEZ DENWAH'S (a.k.a. Denny's) in both Pleasant Hill and the neighboring City of Concord for those who discriminate for twenty four hour continental service. Can you imagine having a spirited discussion about the life and times of ALGER HISS over coffee and pigs in a blanket!? Oh, the world we live in! Well, that's my latest two cents worth on this vintage slice of CONTEMPORARY AMERICANA - for now anyway. In any case, I would like to bid you an especially copacetic day over in the Old Dominion that is the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Best Regards,
Uncle Bob :idea: :) :P :lol: :wink: 8-) :thumbsup:
"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it" - Robert E. Lee

Globalization41
Member
Posts: 1453
Joined: 13 Mar 2002, 03:52
Location: California

Re: Korean War

#10

Post by Globalization41 » 01 Aug 2018, 02:10

Thanks guys. ... As I understand it, Stalin knew Hoover was monitoring activists and Communist Party members. Stalin's real spies stayed undercover. ... He had highly placed spies in Britain. Stalin essentially read the same intelligence reports as Churchill. ... Jordan, Pakistan, India, East Indies, Algeria, Iran, etc. Good idea. I'll look for more "messes" on the next posting for the Korean War Period articles. India was at peace, but mass migrations were complicated. ... ... The Battle of Kharkov in early 1943 was according to some contemporary reports worse than Stalingrad. The news reports made it sound like Mad Max on the Russian plains during blizzards.

Globalization41.

South
Member
Posts: 3590
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 10:01
Location: USA

Re: Korean War

#11

Post by South » 01 Aug 2018, 09:06

Good morning Uncle Bob,

ROFL ! Discussing Alger Hiss over coffee and pigs in a blanket at a Waffle House ......

IHOP, Denny's, "Greek" diners, and et cetra , have more and better quality discussions on history and the tangents than our famous institutes of lower education ! No Golden Coral restaurants - although not 24 / 7 - in the SFO Bay area ?

It's difficult to give recommendations because of so many variables to include location. Tavarish Fidel Castro dined at Harlem, Manhattan's Hotel Theresa coffee shop. This was 1960 so am guessing there was real cane sugar on a thick glass sugar dispenser. Don't know if the sugar was from the annual Cuban sugar harvest. The only authority on this is probably Congressman Adam Clayton Powell.

Castro returned to the heavily-subsidized fruited plain in 1995 for the United Nation's 50th anniversary. He was escorted by WWII law student, UN Secretary General Kurt Waldheim. How do you say "ROFL" auf the language of Yugoslavia ?

I'm an early-riser but can't patronize the open restaurants because they're usually located in low-crime areas. Here, the crime areas must be calibrated against the entire arena and places like the Pentagon and across the street (Interstate Highway 395) where the lobbyist lunch trade thrives, and the healing-arts places ... and the lobbyists ... At least at a "traditional" Greek diner, where addressed as "Darling" about 55 - 65 times a minute in a tip-inducing cadence .............some stranger just asked me where the local chapter of the Atomic Veterans Association meets and wasn't sure which cemetery..............

Meanwhile, after breakfast, let's all go on that art museum tour. The guide is formerly Sir Anthony Blunt. I'm interested in art deco.

~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA - with our summers having a parallel climate complexion to sub-Sahara Chad - but still better than Frozen Chozen.

South
Member
Posts: 3590
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 10:01
Location: USA

Re: Korean War

#12

Post by South » 01 Aug 2018, 09:57

Good morning Globalization 41,

What's also scary was that J.Edgar Hoover had a domestic US political following bouncing against his domestic US political enemies. During WWII, the FBI was relegated to South America. Certain US factions didn't want his organization in Asia or Europe.

Since yesterday on this new-fangled Signal Corps J 36 telegraph key, was thinking about our discussion.

Add the 1949-50 era French Assembly to the mix - at least for culinary flavor - In my notes, French Communist leader Maurice Thorez said that if Soviet troops invaded Paris, French Communists would join the Soviet forces.

Back here, in the BOWASH - Boston - Washington, D.C. corridor - I.F. Stone, national commentator, author, overall lightning rod, was recipient of all sorts of charges that he was something of a "subversive". He wrote "Hidden History of the Korean War" and "The Haunted 50's" among several other pubs.

Rather than Uncle Bob, you and me volunteering for patrol around the Punjab boundary in post WWII India, let's look for some substitute volunteers. Yes, within days after independence, there was a mass migration. There were also massacres on the borders. Ghandi was one of those massacred. If we also avoid Jammu-Kashmir and do some volunteer relief work on one of the archipelagos like the Andaman and Nicobar Islands in close proximity to RN or USN vessels, I'm ready to patrol the local refugee center. Otherwise, to the tune of "California, here we come..." ... When's the next flying boat to Kai Tak, Hong Kong ?!

~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA

Globalization41
Member
Posts: 1453
Joined: 13 Mar 2002, 03:52
Location: California

Re: Korean War

#13

Post by Globalization41 » 08 Aug 2018, 21:21

[The 1948 Korean elections and violence was background influencing the Eisenhower administration to avoid the 1956 elections scheduled for Vietnam."] … Excellent point Bob. … Building prosperous democracies is not easy. Korea's problem in establishing a democracy was not even hindered by ethnic-related complaints. Non-Korean voting blocks were not a factor. It's been 70 years since the Korean election of 1948. It could be argued that South Korea is now a prosperous democracy. … In 1988, South Korea was booming. It wasn't perfect. Traffic was awful (much worse than North Korea, no doubt). Water pressure was low. No hot water for bathing in many places. Water taps were fitted with hoses going to a large concrete container for holding water. The taps were left open due to low pressure. The water containers always had water, but not the tap. A plastic bowl served as the shower. The communal toilet was good for only one flush during peak periods. There were plenty of taxies and busses. Open markets were numerous and open all night with infinite stalls for grabbing a bite to eat. Many shops. Most South Koreans were pro-U.S., given the alternative. Those few opposed to the U.S. presence made more noise than their numbers warranted. North Korean agents released propaganda leaflets on windy days. … … ["India" would not exist without the British assembly of the war lords with their fiefdoms. Think of earlier Europe.] The British must have given India some good ideas. Without the liberalism of the British Empire, it could have been worse for India. The difficulity of being India without the British Empire became noticable almost instantly after independence.

8/16/1947, British Rule in India Ends; Floodlights & Bells; Crowds Festive; but Not in Lahore, Mobs Slaughter Pedestrians

Map, Lahore, Google

8/22/1947, Independence Brings Sadness to India; Orgy of Killing & Destruction; Mobs with Swords Roam Streets in N.W.

8/23/1947, Gurkhas from Nepal Fight for British Empire on Battlefields Across World & Helped During Indian Munity

8/29/1947, Bloodbath Spreads in India; At Least 10,000 Killed in N.W. India; 524 Japanese Suspects Convicted of War Crimes

8/31/1947, Packed Refugee Train in India Ambushed by Saber-Wielding Cutthroats, Hundreds Killed, Wild Dogs Savage Remains

8/5/1948, Red Spectre Haunts Asia; Europe Able to Offer Formidable Resistance to Communism

9/24/1948, Soviets Oppose Consideration of Eight of 65 World Problems Proposed by U.N. Steering Committee

10/1/1948, Spotlight Berlin, Korea, British Steel, Franco, Indonesia

12/10/1948, Red Victories in North China Signal North Korean Offensive Against U.S.-Backed Seoul

12/18/1948, New Constitution Gives Untouchables in India More Civil Rights

Globalization41.

South
Member
Posts: 3590
Joined: 06 Sep 2007, 10:01
Location: USA

Re: Korean War

#14

Post by South » 09 Aug 2018, 07:29

Good morning Globalization 41,

Ref: "a prosperous democracy";

The term requires a working definition with examples of counterparts and also contra examples.

South Korea (and Japan) were propped up / subsidized by the US so as to keep a US zone near China and the Soviet maritime oblasts.

Globe, think about how volatile and fragile the Korean Peninsula was. The Korean Peninsula was the location of the world's Asian shatterbelt.....much more so than the Vietnam flareups and Sukarno's PKI in Indonesia.

South Korea was sandwiched among nuclear-armed Great Powers. Large armies were throughout the area. Eruptions were frequent eg Cdr Lloyd Bucher's (spelling?) of the USS Pueblo, oceanographic research ship, the Korean Airlines flight 007 shot down around Sakhalin Island, ... I'm avoiding current events.

The above, post WWII to the mentioned 1988, also showed South Korea having a contraction in their population - even worst than the Japan situation. People are needed for a labor force and a sought-for prosperous economy.

......

When reading the links, I was attracted to "...;Mobs with Swords Roam Streets in N.W."...and was thinking of Georgetown and Foggy Bottom, Washington, D.C. northwest - Ward 3 area.............split second later then saw "India".

......

~ Bob
eastern Virginia, USA

Globalization41
Member
Posts: 1453
Joined: 13 Mar 2002, 03:52
Location: California

Re: Korean War

#15

Post by Globalization41 » 09 Aug 2018, 17:29

[South Korea (and Japan) were propped up / subsidized by the US so as to keep a US zone near China and the Soviet maritime oblasts.] Hey Bob. The U.S. also subsidized the Soviets in the war against Hitler. Stalin did not not volunteer to help Britain contain Hitler. Stalin hoped the war between Germany and Britain would go overtime, like in WWI. … Stalin became friendly with Roosevelt and the Soviet Union was subsidized. The Russians won WWII in eastern Europe. F.D.R. volunteered to help. The U.S. contributed to several fronts—the air war, Italy, production, France, etc. ... Surplus U.S. production from WWII supplied many countries after the war.

Globalization41.
Last edited by Globalization41 on 10 Aug 2018, 04:44, edited 1 time in total.

Post Reply

Return to “Other eras”