The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Peter89 » 31 Oct 2022 17:38

Gooner1 wrote:
31 Oct 2022 17:25
Peter89 wrote:
31 Oct 2022 16:49

There are no strings attached, but never mind,
Wrong again.

"EU Commission to cut funding for Hungary by 7.5 billion euros

Because of corruption and violations of the rule of law in Hungary, the European Commission has proposed to cut payments of about 7.5 billion euros from the EU budget to the country. This was announced by EU Budget Commissioner Johannes Hahn in Brussels on Sunday. It is the first time that the EU Commission has proposed this step due to rule of law shortcomings in an EU country.

The money from the EU budget is not sufficiently protected from misuse in Hungary, the Austrian said. At the same time, he praised the commitments that the Hungarian government had recently made to address the existing shortcomings. "Hungary has actually moved," Hahn said. In order for the country to actually cut money from the EU budget, at least 15 countries with 65 percent of the EU population would now have to agree to the proposal.

Ursula von der Leyen's authority had already initiated the procedure under the so-called EU rule of law mechanism in April. This has been in force since the beginning of 2021 and is intended to ensure that violations of rule-of-law principles such as the separation of powers no longer go unpunished. The decisive factor here is that the deficits threaten to misuse EU funds.

Because Poland and Hungary see themselves as being particularly in the spotlight, both had taken legal action against it before the European Court of Justice. However, the Court rejected the complaints in February. Both countries receive billions annually from the EU budget.

Hungary had recently shown some willingness to compromise with the EU Commission, but did not dispel the authority's concerns. Therefore, it has now initiated the next step in the rule-of-law procedure. The authority is also currently blocking several billion euros in Corona aid for Hungary. It is the only country that has so far been unable to agree with the EU Commission on a plan for using the money."
https://themunicheye.com/eu-commission- ... euros-5033

However, what do you know about the military stocks in former Warsaw Pact states?
Are you sure about the stocks of the Soviet era vehicles are depleted?
The modern ones that could end up in Ukrainian hands, yes. Apart from the Polish 200-odd PT-91s. The Poles probably waiting until adequate numbers of Abrams, Leopard IIs and South Korean K2s have been received before supplying them.

The only thing that counts here. I don't care about you Hungary 'Stronk' fantasies of massive military reserves. :roll:
This is not a political forum, and therefore I will not address your comment to prevent an escalation of futility. Please do repharse it with proper content and manners.
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 00:30

Ukrainian tanks have not achieved much in this war. They get shot up by the Russians with heavy losses. Besides the tanks used in the Kharkiv' operation they have not been decisive in anything.

HIMARs and artillery pieces, and their ammunition supply has been much more valuable than the tanks.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 01 Nov 2022 00:43

Cult Icon wrote:
01 Nov 2022 00:30
Ukrainian tanks have not achieved much in this war. They get shot up by the Russians with heavy losses. Besides the tanks used in the Kharkiv' operation they have not been decisive in anything.
Ruffian tanks have achieved next to nothing in this war. They get shot up by the Ukrainians with extremely heavy losses, lightly popping turrets and vaporised crews. They have not been decisive in anything except providing Ukrainians with new equipment.

Oryx data on minimum Ukrainian tank losses (339, of which destroyed: 186, damaged: 12, abandoned: 14, captured: 128)
and minimum Orc tank losses (1429, of which destroyed: 823, damaged: 58, abandoned: 55, captured: 493).
The main problem with Ukrainian tanks is the fact that they are of evil empire base design and as such largely unsuitable for defensive use and minimising loss of human life.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 00:49

send a couple of Leopard 2 and Abrams to Ukraine to be destroyed in another failed attack...

the shipping space is better allocated to a self-propelled artillery piece.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 01 Nov 2022 01:15

Cult Icon wrote:
01 Nov 2022 00:49
send a couple of Leopard 2 and Abrams to Ukraine to be destroyed in another failed attack...
Send Ukrainian tank crews abroad to thoroughly train them on ultra-modern (compared to the crappy imperialist Ruffian conserve tins) Western tanks in combined arms operations. Start sending Leo 2s over preferably using them defensively at first to foul attacks by inferior Ivan vehicles so that the crews can build up confidence on and gain combat experience with up-to-date armour. When sufficient numbers have been reached use them in tactically correct offensives to pummel Orcs in the direction of underwater vessel operation.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 01:55

If doctrine is implemented with the mobilization, the Russian tank company of a motorized rifle brigade should have one battalion of supporting infantry, approx. 4 times more than before.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 03 Nov 2022 08:34

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 03 Nov 2022 18:12

Inside of T-72, T-80, and T-90






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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 03 Nov 2022 18:18

Inside T-64


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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 04 Nov 2022 17:38

Production of T-90M tanks at Uralvagonzavod:

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 04 Nov 2022 21:39

Cult Icon wrote:
04 Nov 2022 17:38
Production of T-90M tanks at Uralvagonzavod:
No finished products.
Do colour me impressed.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 05 Nov 2022 09:47

peeved wrote:
04 Nov 2022 21:39
Cult Icon wrote:
04 Nov 2022 17:38
Production of T-90M tanks at Uralvagonzavod:
No finished products.
Do colour me impressed.

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Check post #219 for example. Otherwise here are some more.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 05 Nov 2022 09:48

Allegedly Ukraine have put their captured T-90 into service.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 05 Nov 2022 09:53

T-72M1
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T-64BV
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These seem to be the two main types in service with the Ukrainian armed forces.

5 of the last 8 Russian tanks lost in pictures/videos appear to be T-80BV.

Here is a Russian T-80 captured.
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