The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 05 Nov 2022 10:53

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
05 Nov 2022 09:47
peeved wrote:
04 Nov 2022 21:39
Cult Icon wrote:
04 Nov 2022 17:38
Production of T-90M tanks at Uralvagonzavod:
No finished products.
Do colour me impressed.
here are some more.
Manufactured Vlad knows when.
Highly irrelevant to current produce for the forces of evil.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 06 Nov 2022 07:32

More than two thousand Russian T-64s: why they are still not in Ukraine?

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The exact numbers of Russian and Soviet tanks that are now in long-term storage are not reliably known. One can only operate on the data of two or three years ago, according to which about 2.8 thousand vehicles of the T-55 series, 1.6 thousand of the T-62 series, 7.5 thousand T-72 and more than 3 thousand T- 80. Also in storage are about 2.2-2.3 thousand tanks of the T-64 series.
17,200 tanks (T-55, T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80) in storage.




T-80BV in Donbas: a forced measure or an effective combat unit?

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the T-80BV gas turbine tank, the trains with which have already been seen moving in a westerly direction. Apart from the latest Russian T-80BVM and the Soviet T-80U, the BV version can be considered one of the most advanced tanks in the series. For its time, of course. The tank appeared in 1985 and is distinguished by the Kontakt-1 mounted dynamic protection, the upgraded 2A46M-1 gun and the new 1A33-1 fire control system. In total, along with the T-80U and T-80B tanks, at least 3,000 vehicles of modification B are in storage.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 06 Nov 2022 14:34

10/12: Is the T-14 Armata needed in Ukraine?

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Unrest in social networks and patriotic communities was caused by footage of training reservists on T-14 Armatatanks. Presumably, the shooting took place in Kazan at the training ground of the local higher tank command order of Zhukov of the Red Banner School. Here, the combat coordination of reservists from Tatarstan takes place.
It is worth starting with the fact that a certain number of T-14s are already in the troops. According to The First Deputy General Director of Rostec Vladimir Artyakov, the first experimental industrial batch of tanks was shipped last summer. They came in addition to several dozen deeply modernized T-90M "Breakthrough". At the last exhibition "Army-2022" showed the export version of the "Armata", which indirectly indicates the formation of the final appearance of the machine.

Most likely, the tanks from the pilot industrial batch will be sent to Ukraine. If, of course, an appropriate decision is made. We hope that the crews will be recruited from regular tankers, and not from mobilized ones, albeit with combat experience. Ukraine will not be the first armed conflict for armata. According to Denis Manturov, the combat vehicle was successfully tested in Syria.
The number of T-14s in the troops can be indirectly judged by the contracts of 2020, according to which Uralvagonzavod was to supply 132 tanks to the army. The deadline is until the end of last year. According to other sources, there are now no more than 20 vehicles in combat units. This was announced at the end of last year by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchenko.
The T-14 is an expensive tank, the cost of which in mass production can exceed 350 million rubles. If you collect one piece, then up to 500 million per copy is not far away. By world standards, it is inexpensive, but the modernization of the T-72 to the B3 version costs 52 million rubles. That is, for the price of one Armata, you can bring at least seven tanks to the modern level. And in terms of combat effectiveness, the T-14 will never cover the seven T-72B3. Interesting in this situation is the cost of the T-90M "Breakthrough" in 200 million rubles.
T-14 is the only Russian tank with a modern active protection system.

T-14 cost: 500-350 million rubles
T-72B3: 52 million rubles
T-90M: 200 million rubles

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 06 Nov 2022 18:11

It costs $838,710 dollars to take a T-72 out of storage and refurbish to T-72B3 standard. The T-62M is likely to be even cheaper.
It costs $3,225,808 to build a T-90M from scratch.
It costs between 8.5- 5.7 million dollars to produce their more advanced vehicle (with active protection systems), T-14.

if these figures are accurate the Russian T-62M and T-72B3 tanks are so cheap that they cost as much as a typical American middle class house. The T-90M costs as much a typical upper-class mansion.

The T-14 is cheaper than an Abrams.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 06 Nov 2022 18:42

Cult Icon wrote:
06 Nov 2022 18:11
It costs $838,710 dollars to take a T-72 out of storage and refurbish to T-72B3 standard.
Wow... And think of the level of technology that buys.
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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 06 Nov 2022 22:14

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
05 Nov 2022 09:47
peeved wrote:
04 Nov 2022 21:39
Cult Icon wrote:
04 Nov 2022 17:38
Production of T-90M tanks at Uralvagonzavod:
No finished products.
Do colour me impressed.

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Check post #219 for example. Otherwise here are some more.


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The only gauge of Ru tank production rates are the 800 T-62 refurbs to take place over 3 years. I havnt found a good source for info on the RU new production capability, not even considering sanctions. If the RU aerospace production rate (about 20/year the last few years) is a measure, the tank rate isnt going to be very high, but thats a lot of supposition.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 06 Nov 2022 22:18

Cult Icon wrote:
06 Nov 2022 07:32

17,200 tanks (T-55, T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80) in storage.
Covert Cabal used recent satellite pics of the RU tank yards and estimated about 6000 tanks available, about half of which could be refurbed into service.

Cult Icon previously used the 10,000 older estimate from IISS. Not sure why Cult Icon now chooses a value which has no basis in reality. The fact is that treaty limitations for both RU and NATO had an 20,000 upper limit and in the last 20 years both sides have been removing older tanks from inventories.

As to why the RU are bringing T-62 back into service.....the simplest answer is that they have no choice.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 07 Nov 2022 00:34

Tom Peters wrote:
06 Nov 2022 22:18
Cult Icon wrote:
06 Nov 2022 07:32
17,200 tanks (T-55, T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80) in storage.
Cult Icon previously used the 10,000 older estimate from IISS. Not sure why Cult Icon now chooses a value which has no basis in reality.
Another case of culticonolatric warped reality?
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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 07 Nov 2022 00:40

Tom Peters wrote:
06 Nov 2022 22:18
Cult Icon wrote:
06 Nov 2022 07:32

17,200 tanks (T-55, T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80) in storage.
Cult Icon previously used the 10,000 older estimate from IISS. Not sure why Cult Icon now chooses a value which has no basis in reality. The fact is that treaty limitations for both RU and NATO had an 20,000 upper limit and in the last 20 years both sides have been removing older tanks from inventories.
Is Russia a horn of plenty evil if their extensive tank losses never reduce the number of tanks in storage, especially considering their pissant production.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Nov 2022 01:55

In 2013, T-72B3 obr2012 cost 52 million rubles (30 million of this was the cost of overhauling the vehicle)

In 2016, T-72B3 obr2016 cost 76 million rubles.

In 2011, T-90 cost 118 million rubles

In 2016, T-14 cost between 500-350 million rubles.

SOURCES: a“Russia to Upgrade 150 T-72B Tanks,” mil.today, March 11, 2016; and “Kontrakt na modernizatsiyu
tankov do urovnya T-72B3 v 2016 godu” [“Contract for the Modernization of Tanks to the T-72B3 Level in
2016”], bmpd blog, January 24, 2016.
b Russian Defense Policy, 2011a.
c Yekaterina Zgirovskaya, “Zolotaya sotnya ‘Armat’” [“The Golden Hundred Armatas”], Gazeta.ru,
April 19, 2016.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 07 Nov 2022 01:57

Tom Peters wrote:
06 Nov 2022 22:18
Cult Icon wrote:
06 Nov 2022 07:32

17,200 tanks (T-55, T-62, T-64, T-72, T-80) in storage.
Cult Icon previously used the 10,000 older estimate from IISS. Not sure why Cult Icon now chooses a value which has no basis in reality.
It must be true since some Evgeny Fedorov said that there is
data of two or three years ago, according to which about 2.8 thousand vehicles of the T-55 series, 1.6 thousand of the T-62 series, 7.5 thousand T-72 and more than 3 thousand T- 80 [were in long-term storage]. Also in storage are about 2.2-2.3 thousand tanks of the T-64 series.
Who could ever want a more reliable reference than some random type saying that there is data?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Nov 2022 03:41



Newsreel related to previously posted photographs. These visits are related to the desire of Shoigu (August 2022) and Medvedev to accelerate tank production at UVZ, Russia's largest tank factory. The UVZ is reportedly only capable of producing 400 units of "products" a year which is unacceptable for the Russian MOD. Shoigu wanted 300 units completed by 12/31/2022 and 2 units completed a day. Medvedev's visit was related to coordinating a solution to these problems.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 07 Nov 2022 05:59

Tom Peters wrote:
06 Nov 2022 22:14

The only gauge of Ru tank production rates are the 800 T-62 refurbs to take place over 3 years. I havnt found a good source for info on the RU new production capability, not even considering sanctions. If the RU aerospace production rate (about 20/year the last few years) is a measure, the tank rate isnt going to be very high, but thats a lot of supposition.

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I can't argue with this, it seems the truth is that we just don't know.

EDIT: I still think from the bits and pieces of evidence they are still making or at least upgrading new T-72 and T-90. Speaking of aerospace production they did announce increased production of SU-57.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 07 Nov 2022 06:20

Counting armored vehicle losses from the last week, from videos and photos, 9 of the 12 Russian tank losses have been T-80BV models, 12 Ukrainian tanks lost in the same period, 2 T-64, 2 T-72, 2 T-80, 6 I'm not sure of the models. Armored vehicles of all types I count 30 Russian and 50 Ukrainian.

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