The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 09 Nov 2022 02:45

Cult Icon wrote:
08 Nov 2022 13:52
Arzamas Machine-Building Plant and JSC Kurganmashzavod are two of their IFV manufacturers. I suspect that as time passes, the Russians will try to use their auto industry to manufacture tanks and IFVs as well (which is what typically happens in the US in wartime)- if they have not done so already.
The RU auto industry is taking a beating with sales down 80%. They cant produce a car with ABS or airbags - not sure if producing tanks, even ones form 60's technology - is feasible.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 09 Nov 2022 06:30

Tom Peters wrote:
09 Nov 2022 02:45
The RU auto industry is taking a beating with sales down 80%. They cant produce a car with ABS or airbags - not sure if producing tanks, even ones form 60's technology - is feasible.
Let alone T-72 or T-80 series with their sophisticated ejector turrets.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 09 Nov 2022 13:49

These large scale combined arms armored maneuvers were completed 2 months ago however it is unknown if any of these formations have been sent to Ukraine.

I have found no information on what the claimed 90,000 reservists (50,000 in combat units) 11/7 OOB actually are yet, besides claims that they have been used to reinforce various BTG.

https://tass.com/defense/1499253
The Vostok 2022 strategic command and staff drills will run on September 1-7 under the command of Chief of Russia’s General Staff Valery Gerasimov to practice defensive and offensive operations at the Burduny, Goryachiye Klyuchi, Knyaze-Volkonsky, Lagunnoye, Sergeyevsky, Telemba and Uspenovsky training grounds of the Eastern Military District and in maritime and coastal areas of the Sea of Okhotsk and the Sea of Japan, the ministry specified.

The Vostok 2022 strategic maneuvers will bring together over 50,000 troops and more than 5,000 items of armaments and military hardware, in particular, 140 aircraft, 60 combat ships, gunboats and support vessels. Russia’s military contingent in the drills will involve military command centers and troops of the Eastern Military District, Airborne Force units, long-range and military transport planes, it said.

The Vostok 2022 strategic command and staff drills are set to master the skills of commanders and headquarters in exercising command and control of combined arms and coalition forces to repel acts of aggression in the Eastern direction and in the Far Eastern maritime zone, raise compatibility and inter-operability of the collation forces in jointly coping with the objectives of maintaining peace, protecting interests and ensuring military security in the Eastern region, the Defense Ministry reported.

The maneuvers will also check the preparedness of military command centers in planning operations in maritime areas, ensuring all-embracing logistics support, command and control of battlegroups in warfare, the ministry said.
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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 09 Nov 2022 13:53

Minsk, Moscow prepare for ‘2023 Union Shield’ joint military drills, says minister

https://tass.com/defense/1531483

blog articles on previous years' exercises and their contents:

https://russianmilitaryanalysis.wordpre ... /exercise/

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 09 Nov 2022 17:05

BMPT Terminator- tank support vehicle has reappeared after months of absence:

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https://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2022/11/blog-post_12.html

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Gooner1 » 10 Nov 2022 00:41

Data from 3rd November, so add another 40-odd Russian tanks since then

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by peeved » 11 Nov 2022 06:07

over the past month [October], Belarus has transferred to the Russian Federation at least 94 T-72A tanks, from 36 to 44 Ural trucks and two dozen BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles.
https://www.aol.com/news/lukashenko-tra ... 3kf2WqNvM1

Everything is just A-OK with Vladolf Putler when he has to beg for freebies from his bitch Puke-a-shenka.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by mezsat2 » 11 Nov 2022 10:36

Lol, Markus. You're the best.

Why won't Vlad just withdraw all his forces and this war can end today?

He cannot and will not win this war. He can pull out all his lovely nukes
and end human civilization, but how would that be a "win"?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 11 Nov 2022 14:15

Volgograd Reservists train in IFV tactics. The IFV platoon hits a minefield and the squads peel out, opening fire:

https://rutube.ru/video/0592f4bfa46c7b2 ... 4ba6d4315/

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 11 Nov 2022 15:10

Tom Peters wrote:
09 Nov 2022 02:42
peeved wrote:
08 Nov 2022 16:17

For me e.g. Oryx would do nicely. I see no need to doubt UK or US government sources either if you happen to be privy to their combat loss analysis data.

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Oryx is the generally accepted sourced, and a while back lostarmour agreed with oryx. I havnt looked at UAWeaponstracker yet.

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I do check Oryx as a source, and lostarmour, they have a good forum, UAWeaponstracker is one of Oryx' sources.

Oryx is very pro-Ukraine, and you have to exhaustingly check every entry. For a small example, for 7.11 they say 5 T-72B3 destroyed, so you have to look at the 5 entries;
1 is from September and it's a blurry image of 'something' burning, no source, I didn't count it.
2 appears to be a tank on fire, no source, how can they tell it's a russian t-72b3?, even the caption says unknown tank, I didn't count it.
3 is a tank, they claim from 3.11, but it is burnt and has plants growing over it, clearly months old, I didn't count it.
4 is from July, I didn't count it.
5 is from June, I didn't count it.
They listed 23 russian tank losses for this day and presented it as if they were new, I checked all of them and only 2 were recent, 2 of the T-80s I counted.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 11 Nov 2022 15:14

Oryx was obviously biased from the beginning.

Western media loves it (as well as pro-Ukrainian biased posters here) love it as it inflates the Russian losses.

I have little interest in it or lost armour, I don't have time to sort through real vs. fakes.

It is interesting that pre-war RAND reports source lostarmour for armored losses in the Donbass war. In a way lostarmour was the predessor to Oryx. The site claimed over 1000 armored kills, most of them Ukrainian in the conflict.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 11 Nov 2022 15:39

Cult Icon wrote:
11 Nov 2022 15:14
Oryx was obviously biased from the beginning.

Western media loves it (as well as pro-Ukrainian biased posters here) love it as it inflates the Russian losses.

I have little interest in it or lost armour, I don't have time to sort through real vs. fakes.
It is far too time consuming and exhausting to check everything there, I've done it enough to be sure that I don't trust it.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 11 Nov 2022 18:08

"Long arm" of the special operation: combat use of BMPT "Terminator" in Ukraine

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/199403 ... x_tr_hl=en

BMPT has re-appeared in the Donbass. This weapon has been used very elusively in this war, and rarely.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 11 Nov 2022 18:58

Medvedev visited Kurganmashzavod, a major BMP factory. Without knowing the background of this visit, it's probably the Russian leadership trying to coordinate an increase in production:

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