The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 28 Mar 2023 22:02

James A Pratt III wrote:
27 Mar 2023 20:50
they most likely won't arrive until late this year or next year.
War might be over with a peace deal.

Konkurs ATGM destroyed Abrams and Leopards in the middle east like any other tank.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 29 Mar 2023 01:58

Cult Icon wrote:
28 Mar 2023 22:02
James A Pratt III wrote:
27 Mar 2023 20:50
they most likely won't arrive until late this year or next year.
War might be over with a peace deal.

Konkurs ATGM destroyed Abrams and Leopards in the middle east like any other tank.
I would much rather be crewing a L2 (A5+) or Abrams over a T-series tank. Much less likely to end us flash-fried.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Gooner1 » 29 Mar 2023 13:05

Blimey, out of T-54s already?!

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 30 Mar 2023 01:34

I have seen the same pic of the JS-3. Supposedly this is from 2021-2022 and likely going to a parade or museum. However I havnt seen firm proof one way or another.

There should be plenty of T-54 left to raise from the dead.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 31 Mar 2023 21:12

Article on the 1600-1500 tanks to be produced/converted for 2023.

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/213815 ... x_tr_hl=en

T-62M/MV arr. 2022
T-72B3
T-80BVM
T-90M
T-14

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Apr 2023 03:35

". Kiev does not have enough tanks for a counteroffensive, Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Andriy Melnyk told the newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung."

"We don't want to launch a counteroffensive that is not prepared. We now have about 50-60 tanks from the West, but the Russians, both now and before, are capable of producing or activating up to ten tanks every day. And this means that we will not be able to achieve a decisive advantage on the battlefield for a long time," the diplomat said."

https://ria.ru/20230331/kontrnastupleni ... 75384.html

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Aida1 » 02 Apr 2023 13:57

ljadw wrote:
28 Mar 2023 06:48
Tom Peters wrote:
28 Mar 2023 00:51
ljadw wrote:
27 Mar 2023 20:15
Tom Peters wrote:
25 Mar 2023 00:30
Interesting claims about the inability of RU AFV factories to produce at full speed:

https://twitter.com/pati_marins64/statu ... 2Fpage-354

This is uncorroborated, but might explain the trend to using T-62 and T-54/55.

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To produce at full speed does not mean that more tanks can be committed :to use more tanks, crew is also needed,and technicians, ammunition, fuel,spare parts, infantry and artillery as protection, ...
Indeed, a whole slew of items would be necessary to use a tank at full capacity. I would assume there are plenty of spare parts available for the T-54/55 in the boneyards. Ammunition ? Not so sure there given the age.

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That's why the boasting on both sides about the quality of the tanks and the number of tanks they can produce are only empty claims .
It is very unlikely that countless crews are waiting on the arrival of tanks ( or the opposite ) and I see that no one on both sides has been able to give us the times needed to produce tanks and to train the crews and technicians .
And,not all tanks that are produced can be used at the front ,as a number must be reserved for the training of crews and technicians .
And to train crews and technicians, you need additional instructors and where do you find them ?At the front .You can't use newly trained crews to train other crews .
Only exhibiting your lack of knowledge. :lol: :lol:

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 06 Apr 2023 13:11

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These stats are similar across the board, the Russian conventional forces have been comparably lurking in the rear/passive for months, hence the low casualties. I wouldn't be surprised if they had over 2000 operational tanks in Ukraine and along the border.

Ultimately, their political leadership's decision to delay partial mobilization 6 months into the war was fatal for many tanks and tankers. If they did partial mobilization 6 months before the war the war may have had a very different outcome.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 06 Apr 2023 17:17

Cult Icon wrote:
06 Apr 2023 13:11
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These stats are similar across the board, the Russian conventional forces have been comparably lurking in the rear/passive for months, hence the low casualties. I wouldn't be surprised if they had over 2000 operational tanks in Ukraine and along the border.
No, Cult Icon, these are only the confirmed casualties via public records. This does not indicate anything else, and the disclaimers on these tallies are such that the actual casualties are likely much higher.

It is very dishonest of you to claim these are the actual amount of casualties.
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06 Apr 2023 13:11
Ultimately, their political leadership's decision to delay partial mobilization 6 months into the war was fatal for many tanks and tankers. If they did partial mobilization 6 months before the war the war may have had a very different outcome.
The crews of about 2000 RU tanks agree with you. That is to say, the ~2000 lost so far. Given that the RU are renovating T-62 and T-54 tanks, RU is likely very short on tanks at this point.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by ljadw » 10 Apr 2023 11:38

Tom Peters wrote:
06 Apr 2023 17:17
Cult Icon wrote:
06 Apr 2023 13:11
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These stats are similar across the board, the Russian conventional forces have been comparably lurking in the rear/passive for months, hence the low casualties. I wouldn't be surprised if they had over 2000 operational tanks in Ukraine and along the border.
No, Cult Icon, these are only the confirmed casualties via public records. This does not indicate anything else, and the disclaimers on these tallies are such that the actual casualties are likely much higher.

It is very dishonest of you to claim these are the actual amount of casualties.
Cult Icon wrote:
06 Apr 2023 13:11
Ultimately, their political leadership's decision to delay partial mobilization 6 months into the war was fatal for many tanks and tankers. If they did partial mobilization 6 months before the war the war may have had a very different outcome.
The crews of about 2000 RU tanks agree with you. That is to say, the ~2000 lost so far. Given that the RU are renovating T-62 and T-54 tanks, RU is likely very short on tanks at this point.

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I can also easily say that the number of 2000 lost tanks is likely much lower as the source for this figure refuses to say by whom it is funded (maybe the CIA ?) and what its own sources are .

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Aida1 » 10 Apr 2023 11:51

ljadw wrote:
10 Apr 2023 11:38
Tom Peters wrote:
06 Apr 2023 17:17
Cult Icon wrote:
06 Apr 2023 13:11
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These stats are similar across the board, the Russian conventional forces have been comparably lurking in the rear/passive for months, hence the low casualties. I wouldn't be surprised if they had over 2000 operational tanks in Ukraine and along the border.
No, Cult Icon, these are only the confirmed casualties via public records. This does not indicate anything else, and the disclaimers on these tallies are such that the actual casualties are likely much higher.

It is very dishonest of you to claim these are the actual amount of casualties.
Cult Icon wrote:
06 Apr 2023 13:11
Ultimately, their political leadership's decision to delay partial mobilization 6 months into the war was fatal for many tanks and tankers. If they did partial mobilization 6 months before the war the war may have had a very different outcome.
The crews of about 2000 RU tanks agree with you. That is to say, the ~2000 lost so far. Given that the RU are renovating T-62 and T-54 tanks, RU is likely very short on tanks at this point.

Mad Dog
I can also easily say that the number of 2000 lost tanks is likely much lower as the source for this figure refuses to say by whom it is funded (maybe the CIA ?) and what its own sources are .
Conspirationists like you are not to be taken seriously. :lol: :lol:

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by ljadw » 10 Apr 2023 14:58

As usual ,when you have no answers, you use insults .
Oryx published information that hurts Russia .
It refuses to say by whom it is funded,although some one who prefers to remain unknown funds Oryx ,with a lot of money :what Oryx is doing costs a lot of money . Who pays the piper,calls the tune .And the piper refuses to say who is paying him .
It also refuses to say how it gets these pictures and why unknown persons are funding it and other unknown persons are procuring it these information .
As long as we have no answer on these questions,there is no reason to believe ONE word what Oryx is saying .
Oryx has to prove that it is reliable and as long as it refuses to do it, it is not more reliable than the Northcliffe Press in WW1 or the newspaper Das Reich in WW2 or the NYT when it denied the famine in the USSR or the German TV which was hiding the news that Muslim migrants massively raped German women on New Years Eve 2015-2016 .

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 10 Apr 2023 16:32

ljadw wrote:
10 Apr 2023 11:38

I can also easily say that the number of 2000 lost tanks is likely much lower as the source for this figure refuses to say by whom it is funded (maybe the CIA ?) and what its own sources are .
ljadw refuses to say by whom he is funded (maybe the FSB ?) <---- see how that sounds ?

Oryx is supported by Patreon. See the link on their page.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 10 Apr 2023 16:34

ljadw wrote:
10 Apr 2023 14:58
As usual ,when you have no answers, you use insults .
Oryx published information that hurts Russia .
Oryx also publishes the UKR equipment losses:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... inian.html

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by ljadw » 10 Apr 2023 20:42

Tom Peters wrote:
10 Apr 2023 16:32
ljadw wrote:
10 Apr 2023 11:38

I can also easily say that the number of 2000 lost tanks is likely much lower as the source for this figure refuses to say by whom it is funded (maybe the CIA ?) and what its own sources are .
ljadw refuses to say by whom he is funded (maybe the FSB ?) <---- see how that sounds ?

Oryx is supported by Patreon. See the link on their page.

Mad Dog
I was on the black list of the Cheka .
And why should I believe one word of what Oryx is saying ?Why should Patreon fund an organisation that intervenes in wartime on the side of one of the warriors.

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