The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Michael Kenny » 09 Jun 2023 17:51

Tom Peters wrote:
09 Jun 2023 17:25
Mines are the big winner here. If the UKR cant clear the fields under fire they wont make much progress.


Those vehicles were going back along the road they came in on. No mine losses then

Russian sources are saying The Ukrainian Drones were completely taken out by a new Russian ECM system .

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Gooner1 » 09 Jun 2023 18:53

Michael Kenny wrote:
09 Jun 2023 17:51
Russian sources are saying The Ukrainian Drones were completely taken out by a new Russian ECM system .
If true they are idiots for talking about it.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 09 Jun 2023 18:57

Michael Kenny wrote:
09 Jun 2023 17:51
Tom Peters wrote:
09 Jun 2023 17:25
Mines are the big winner here. If the UKR cant clear the fields under fire they wont make much progress.


Those vehicles were going back along the road they came in on. No mine losses then

Russian sources are saying The Ukrainian Drones were completely taken out by a new Russian ECM system .
Almost all or all (depending on your point of view) showed track losses (this is the first pic).

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Edit: first pic from post #822, to be precise
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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 09 Jun 2023 19:54

Artworks on the recent days fighting

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 09 Jun 2023 20:40

Cult Icon wrote:
09 Jun 2023 19:54
Artworks on the recent days fighting

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What exact value do we receive from Rybar artwork ? If your intent is to drown us in non-value added noise, and thereby lock another thread, then by all means continue.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Michael Kenny » 09 Jun 2023 21:15

More film of the wrecks released today and the large group together has increased in numbers overnight. Also a Leopard has vanished from where it was yesterday. I suspect the 'mined' group are now a collection point for recovered wrecks and frantic efforts are underway to make sure nothing ends up on display in Gorky Park!

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Jun 2023 05:37

Film has appeared that is almost certainly this group of vehicles where we can see one Bradley pass by safely and the second gets hit.
The Leopard and mine-clearer do not seem to be there yet.
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/ ... 1739244545
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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Jun 2023 08:22

Multiple reports that Leopards were recovered by The Russians as well as further armoured thrusts defeated. Film expected.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 10 Jun 2023 13:47

" Lancet loitering ammunition destroys the Leopard 2A6"

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3674100

"panorama of the battles for Novodonetske.

The first footage shows the advancement of the wheeled armored group of the 37th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Oshkosh M-ATV, Mastiff and AMX-10RC armored vehicles with the support of Mi-8 helicopters." Footage shows the defeat of this group.

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3674224

"defeat of the Ukrainian 122-mm MLRS "Bastion-01" (warhead BM-21 "Grad", installed chassis KrAZ-6322) by loitering ammunition "Lancet".
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https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3673971

"FPV drones destroyed a Ukrainian convoy of Czech T-72M1 tanks, American M1224 MaxxPro and M1123 HMMWV Cargo armored vehicles, as well as two Belarusian MAZ-6317 trucks."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3673589

more Kamikaze drone strikes

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3673967

" evacuation of the Ukrainian military from the wrecked and abandoned M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA infantry fighting vehicles."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3673476

""Beavers" (a detachment of UAV operators 42 MSD) destroys equipment on the Zaporozhye front. In their sights are a T-72M1 tank, an M1224 MaxxPro and M1123 HMMWV Cargo armored car, two Belarusian MAZ-6317 trucks, an M113 armored personnel carrier, light equipment, and a Bradley infantry fighting vehicle."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3673429

break-down of yesterday's footage

5 German Leopard 2A6 and 2A4 tanks (2 destroyed, 1 shot down and abandoned, 3 abandoned)
- 6 American M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA infantry fighting vehicles (all shot down and abandoned)
- 3 American MRAP M1224 MaxxPro (all shot down and abandoned)
- 1 Dutch YPR-765 armored personnel carrier (shot down and abandoned)
- 1 Czech T-72M1 (destroyed)
- 1 BMR-2 demining vehicle (hit and abandoned)
- 1 French VAB armored car (hit and abandoned).
- several burned-out trucks

https://vk.com/wall-123538639_3672245?w ... 39_3672245

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 10 Jun 2023 15:02

Claims to be a video from the Leo/Bradley column:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz95HTTQ5oU

- no observable PAX losses
- good use of smoke

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Jun 2023 17:50

I am going to stick my neck out. I believe the 3 Bradley's were hit in this location and it appears to be the furthest south of the Ukrainian attack. Later the Russians dragged a few more wrecks to this location and it is a collection point for them. They will be the vehicles that multiple sources say they have captured.
Attempts are being made to downplay the Russian success with claims that this column was 'ambushed' and it was faulty Ukrainian tactics that caused the problems. I have looked at all the available films and it appears that individual 'kills' were made when this column was indeed using correct spacing. There are no hits shown on a group but only on individual tanks and Bradley's. Russian artillery worked really well here hitting a dispersed group and they did not even reached the first line of the Russian trenches. All vehicles were lost in the grey zone between the two Armies.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 10 Jun 2023 18:21

Ukraine has also launched counterattacks in the Bakhmut flanks.

"Shooting of Ukrainian tanks and armored personnel carriers on the flank of Bakhmut by anti-tankers of the 200th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the Northern Fleet."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3674714

Last night another Ukrainian breakthrough attack in the Z-Oblast front, another dismal failure.

A few more weeks of this and people will start to conclude that NATO offensive training and equipment is just as worthless as the Russian.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 10 Jun 2023 19:57

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"After analyzing the photos and videos posted on the Web, Rybar's team compiled a map of the losses of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye direction over the past few days.

In total, Russian servicemen managed to disable 77 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, and enemy armored vehicles in areas near Orekhove and Vremyevka. The list includes only those vehicles whose destruction or destruction is confirmed by open source materials: in fact, their number is clearly higher."

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 10 Jun 2023 20:19

Michael Kenny wrote:
10 Jun 2023 17:50
I am going to stick my neck out. I believe the 3 Bradley's were hit in this location and it appears to be the furthest south of the Ukrainian attack. Later the Russians dragged a few more wrecks to this location and it is a collection point for them. They will be the vehicles that multiple sources say they have captured.
Attempts are being made to downplay the Russian success with claims that this column was 'ambushed' and it was faulty Ukrainian tactics that caused the problems. I have looked at all the available films and it appears that individual 'kills' were made when this column was indeed using correct spacing. There are no hits shown on a group but only on individual tanks and Bradley's. Russian artillery worked really well here hitting a dispersed group and they did not even reached the first line of the Russian trenches. All vehicles were lost in the grey zone between the two Armies.
Are we talking about the same picture (for example, the linked movie I had) - with 1 leo and 4-5 Bradleys ? All the vehicles were tracked from what appears to be mines, and no obvious signs of artillery impacts. A 152mm impact on or near a vehicle is going to leave a noticable crater and scorch damage.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Tom Peters » 10 Jun 2023 20:22

Cult Icon wrote:
10 Jun 2023 18:21


A few more weeks of this and people will start to conclude that NATO offensive training and equipment is just as worthless as the Russian.
I wouldnt worry about that. We already have a years worth of evidence of the worthlessness of the RU offensive training, and ample evidence of better UKR training (who retook Izyum ?)

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