The end of tanks as we know it?

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 14 Jun 2023 20:20

"drone footage of defeat of the Leopard 2A6 tank with the help of the Lancet loitering ammunition.

Leopard detected by a drone, attacked with artillery and hit in the side by the Lancet after the flight of its crew."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3680971

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Peter89 » 14 Jun 2023 21:39

Michael Kenny wrote:
14 Jun 2023 09:29
Peter89 wrote:
14 Jun 2023 09:08
In the meanwhile, RBC (Ukraine) claims that the released Hungarian POWs will be used to "criticize Ukraine" and utilized in a "provocative press conference". No such thing has happened so far, and the POWs whereabouts is kept secret.
https://www.rbc.ua/ukr/news/budut-kriti ... 99594.html

The ethnic identity of the POWs was called into question by various sources, who were most likely either part of the 128th Mountain Assault Brigade or the 101st Territorial Defense Brigade, both heavily engaged in combat in Eastern Ukraine.

There are still many ethnic Hungarians fighting on the Ukrainian side, including the former university professor, Sándor Fegyir. He is said to be the next Ukrainian ambassador to Hungary.

https://hvg.hu/itthon/20230327_sandor_f ... apcsolatok

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I have no idea of what the above is about. Though I can guess it is not clear to those not immersed in the regional politics.
The ethnic makeup of Ukraine and its capability to keep its minorities loyal to the Ukrainian cause is well beyond regional politics. It has a direct impact on the course of war and the diplomatic negotiations afterwards.
"Everything remained theory and hypothesis. On paper, in his plans, in his head, he juggled with Geschwaders and Divisions, while in reality there were really only makeshift squadrons at his disposal."

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by lartiste » 14 Jun 2023 22:17

Michael Kenny wrote:
14 Jun 2023 19:31
lartiste wrote:
14 Jun 2023 18:18
KREMINNA AXIS /1720 UTC 14 JUN/ RU social media & Telegram sources indicate that UKR HIMARS were used to strike a large unit of Russian troops assembled in the open awaiting review by a senior commander. RU casualties said to exceed 200: 100 KIA and > 100 WIA.

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status ... 6742706180
In the last 2 days Russian sites are stuffed full of photos of groups of captured and dead Ukrainian soldiers. It is clear the main cause of death is artillery strikes and bullets are the least of a soldiers worries. Both sides appear in a competition to get the most enemy gore on-screen and we should treat claims by either side with the utmost of caution.

Film of soldiers faking death

https://twitter.com/Alex_Oloyede2/statu ... 5748907008


and a Ukrainian tank running over its rescuers

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... 4403709953
I agree, but this is particular event since no sane commander would group his soldiers to enable enemy to hit big group at once ... . I am of course not aware whether UA army is doing same mistakes.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 14 Jun 2023 23:15

Russian MOD claims June 4-14 that they have inflicted 7,500 Ukrainian human losses against the offensive at the combat line, and not including rear area strikes. At roughly the same time Putin claimed '10 to 1' kill ratio.

So this suggests that he was told that Russian casualties are around 700, or 1 1/2 infantry battalions.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Michael Kenny » 15 Jun 2023 06:05

This film

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3680971

is an earlier view of the field with 2 Leopard wrecks in it. The film shows only one Leopard in its final resting place (green) whilst the other seems to take a wrong turn and heads back north(red). However the turret roof stowage and markings convinces me it is the same Leo. It must have realised its error and turned back only to end up knocked-out just behind the first Leo (yellow).
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Only 1 Leo under attack in the field
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Later film shows 2 Leos in the field
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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Cult Icon » 15 Jun 2023 11:07

"Abandoned by Ukrainian servicemen Leopard 2A4 in the Zaporozhye direction."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3681361

"Destroyed Ukrainian T-72M1 tank and M1224 MaxxPro armored car during the assault on the Russian position."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3681308

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOZvHkd4Z4&t=21s

looting of knocked out bradleys and leopards with translated commentary. some of the vehicles were still running. bodies censored.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Ken S. » 16 Jun 2023 00:00

I believe these vehicles were in what is now territory controlled by Ukraine and the Russians were not able to recover them.
Cult Icon wrote:
15 Jun 2023 11:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOZvHkd4Z4&t=21s

looting of knocked out bradleys and leopards with translated commentary. some of the vehicles were still running. bodies censored.

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Michael Kenny » 16 Jun 2023 02:25

Ken S. wrote:
16 Jun 2023 00:00
I believe these vehicles were in what is now territory controlled by Ukraine and the Russians were not able to recover them.
They are all situated in the area known as the 'grey zone'. In effect no mans land. There is at least 4 separate Russian soldiers phone-footage of this wreck site and given how close it was to the actual Russian front line then recovery by Ukraine seems unlikely. The Bradleys all appear heavily damaged and the later arrivals appear to have been completely burnt out.
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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

Post by Terry Duncan » 16 Jun 2023 11:57

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Re: The end of tanks as we know it?

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