The end of tanks as we know it?

[Yoozername]

I would be very irate if I was a senior Russian commander. Like the CIA is not wanting all those systems/tanks that are being captured.

I worked in teleoperated tracked systems. They need drone tanks IMO.

[Peter89]

I would be very irate if I was a senior Russian commander. Like the CIA is not wanting all those systems/tanks that are being captured.

I worked in teleoperated tracked systems. They need drone tanks IMO.

Drones and tank drones are problematic in a war between technologically advanced countries. As long as they have to be remotely controlled (decision making is not done by the drone), jamming the remote control beams will always be easier than producing, maintaining, deploying and operating the drones.

Drones are good for complementary warfare and against less developed countries, but they will not turn the table upside down. We can not even produce self-driving cars, so by the time the AI will be able to achieve the situational awareness required, we will prabably talk about robot wars.

[wm]

So let's send two (cheap) drones. The first will attack, autonomously, the very visible (and costly!) jammer, the other the real target.

[Peter89]

So let's send two (cheap) drones. The first will attack, autonomously, the very visible (and costly!) jammer, the other the real target.

It doesn't really work; the research currently focuses on swarms of drones and taking out many of them at the same time. While a Bayraktar costs about 1-5m USD, a counter system like THOR will cost around 15-20m USD, although the prices are just indicative.

This is the battle of the beams all over again, except there is the possibility now to control drones via satellites, and thus it is possible to switch between control beams at a snap of a finger.

The autonomous attack is not really relevant because these counter systems are small and mobile, thus you can not pre-program a drone with a relatively small explosive to search and destroy it for sure.

Drones will be great if a developed country will attack into an underdeveloped zone, because it lowers the costs and eliminates human casualties, but in case of an attack between two developed belligerents, I can only see them useful in asymmetric deployment. Like, sending one or two at a time to harass the enemy, doing high risk recon flights or to force them to deploy disproportionate counter systems.

[Yoozername]

I would be very irate if I was a senior Russian commander. Like the CIA is not wanting all those systems/tanks that are being captured.

I worked in teleoperated tracked systems. They need drone tanks IMO.

Drones and tank drones are problematic in a war between technologically advanced countries. As long as they have to be remotely controlled (decision making is not done by the drone), jamming the remote control beams will always be easier than producing, maintaining, deploying and operating the drones.

Drones are good for complementary warfare and against less developed countries, but they will not turn the table upside down. We can not even produce self-driving cars, so by the time the AI will be able to achieve the situational awareness required, we will prabably talk about robot wars.

Jamming works for everything that is ever autonomous at some time. Your grasp of the obvious is exceptionable.

Except , you don't know everything,

[wm]

The autonomous attack is not really relevant because these counter systems are small and mobile, thus you can not pre-program a drone with a relatively small explosive to search and destroy it for sure.

Are they really that small? This is the primary Russian anti-drone system 1L269:

Krasukha-2_(Красуха-2)_Unloaded.jpg

[Yuri]

The T-72B tank of the DPR is fighting in Mariupol.
Infantry is not visible nearby.
In principle, in this position, the tank can be destroyed with several bottles of a combustible mixture (the so-called "Mlotov cocktail").
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoHrf4aH880

[Peter89]

The autonomous attack is not really relevant because these counter systems are small and mobile, thus you can not pre-program a drone with a relatively small explosive to search and destroy it for sure.

Are they really that small? This is the primary Russian anti-drone system 1L269:

Krasukha-2_(Красуха-2)_Unloaded.jpg

Yes, too small and too mobile compared to the detonation radius of a single drone's armament.

[Peter89]

I would be very irate if I was a senior Russian commander. Like the CIA is not wanting all those systems/tanks that are being captured.

I worked in teleoperated tracked systems. They need drone tanks IMO.

Drones and tank drones are problematic in a war between technologically advanced countries. As long as they have to be remotely controlled (decision making is not done by the drone), jamming the remote control beams will always be easier than producing, maintaining, deploying and operating the drones.

Drones are good for complementary warfare and against less developed countries, but they will not turn the table upside down. We can not even produce self-driving cars, so by the time the AI will be able to achieve the situational awareness required, we will prabably talk about robot wars.

Jamming works for everything that is ever autonomous at some time. Your grasp of the obvious is exceptionable.

Except , you don't know everything,

I never said I do.

[Yuri]

The autonomous attack is not really relevant because these counter systems are small and mobile, thus you can not pre-program a drone with a relatively small explosive to search and destroy it for sure.

Are they really that small? This is the primary Russian anti-drone system 1L269:

Krasukha-2_(Красуха-2)_Unloaded.jpg

So it will be more visually (large or small).

1l269_krasuha-2.jpg

krasuha-2-1l269_krasuha-2_Shassy.jpg

In addition, this modification is called "Karasukha-2" - the element base is analog elements, and the chassis of the Bryansk Automobile Plant (BAZ)
A similar system "Karasukha-4", the same but digital elements, chassis for KAMAZ.

kompleks-krasuha-4.jpg

The range is up to 300 km. The district of Kiev (at least the sulfur areas of the city) can be blocked from the territory of Russia.

[Yuri]

"Karasukha-2" in traffic off the roads

Karasucha-2_move.jpg

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And finally. It is wrong to call the system "Krasukha" (2 or 4) drone counteraction system.
These systems jam all AWACS systems.

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The Russian MOD also claimed 246 drones destroyed (3/26).

[Tom from Cornwall]

So it will be more visually (large or small).

Is this the same system? It was certainly visible!

Russian Jammer System - 22 March.JPG

Regards

Tom

[wm]

Yes, too small and too mobile compared to the detonation radius of a single drone's armament.

Too small? A hand-grenade detonated near the antennas will disable them permanently.

What about the drone only transmitting coordinates of the target and, for example, the Turkish OMTAS (4 km range) taking care of the rest.

[Yuri]

So it will be more visually (large or small).

Is this the same system? It was certainly visible!

Russian Jammer System - 22 March.JPG

Regards

Tom

Not, no Krasukha-2, especially Krasukha-4/

I would rather assume that this is the S-300 all-altitude 96L6E detector.

S-300 96L6E.jpg

Affiliation cannot be established, both sides have these systems.