Henry Kissinger on Russia and Ukraine

[Martin_from_Valhalla]

It's called Russian "Hybrid Warfare" by US think tanks. A more evolved version of this tradition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_m ... _deception

Territorial expansion is too simple.

As for Putin, the state/transformational approach makes more sense from the perspective of trying to achieve real change.

The Kherson region will prepare for a referendum on joining the Russian Federation on November 4, Deputy head of the Military-Civil Administration of the region Kirill Stremousov told TASS.

Earlier, the secretary of the General Council of United Russia, Andrei Turchak, expressed the opinion that it is necessary to hold a vote on the annexation of Donbass and the liberated territories of Ukraine to the Russian Federation on National Unity Day.

"Andrei Turchak and I are in solidarity. We will prepare for a specific date, although we are ready to hold a referendum right now," Stremousov said.

According to his expectations, the turnout will be about 80%.

Let's add, according to the Russian Institute of Political and Sociological Research, 88% of respondents want to obtain Russian citizenship in the Zaporozhye region, 84% in the Kherson region.

Yeah, just a few days ago we learnt about Turchak's dacha near Finnish border. The price is nearly 500 millions of roubles. Lest we forget his villa in Europe, eight millions of euros. No wonder he had to tell Putin and his slavish audience a fairy tale about so many people in occupied territories wanting to join Russia. Had he been responsible for a landing on Mars...

[ljadw]

It's called Russian "Hybrid Warfare" by US think tanks. A more evolved version of this tradition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_m ... _deception

Territorial expansion is too simple.

As for Putin, the state/transformational approach makes more sense from the perspective of trying to achieve real change.

The Kherson region will prepare for a referendum on joining the Russian Federation on November 4, Deputy head of the Military-Civil Administration of the region Kirill Stremousov told TASS.

Earlier, the secretary of the General Council of United Russia, Andrei Turchak, expressed the opinion that it is necessary to hold a vote on the annexation of Donbass and the liberated territories of Ukraine to the Russian Federation on National Unity Day.

"Andrei Turchak and I are in solidarity. We will prepare for a specific date, although we are ready to hold a referendum right now," Stremousov said.

According to his expectations, the turnout will be about 80%.

Let's add, according to the Russian Institute of Political and Sociological Research, 88% of respondents want to obtain Russian citizenship in the Zaporozhye region, 84% in the Kherson region.

Yeah, just a few days ago we learnt about Turchak's dacha near Finnish border. The price is nearly 500 millions of roubles. Lest we forget his villa in Europe, eight millions of euros. No wonder he had to tell Putin and his slavish audience a fairy tale about so many people in occupied territories wanting to join Russia. Had he been responsible for a landing on Mars...

I don't see the connection between having a villa in Europe of 8 million Euro (value ? or cost ?) and being forced to tell fairy tales about people wanting to join Russia .

[Michael Kenny]

China and India have their own agendas, they are not interested in supporting Russia (China has claims against Russia): they are only interested in weakening the West AND Russia.

Try and think it through. Are you really suggesting China will stand by and watch Russia go under so that it, and it alone, will be the future single target of all Western economic sabotage? It is absurd to think that China will give up its partner and together they make a very effective 'blocking' bloc at The UN. Russia is very resource-rich and the last thing China wants is all those commodities to be taken over and controlled by 'the west.

[Martin_from_Valhalla]

I don't see the connection between having a villa in Europe of 8 million Euro (value ? or cost ?) and being forced to tell fairy tales about people wanting to join Russia .

So, recently there were rumours about former president Medvedev parted with his wife. She left him because of his alcoholism. And the next day he made a video with her telling about family values to Russians. Is there any connection or just coincidence?

[Aida1]

China and India have their own agendas, they are not interested in supporting Russia (China has claims against Russia): they are only interested in weakening the West AND Russia.

Try and think it through. Are you really suggesting China will stand by and watch Russia go under so that it, and it alone, will be the future single target of all Western economic sabotage? It is absurd to think that China will give up its partner and together they make a very effective 'blocking' bloc at The UN. Russia is very resource-rich and the last thing China wants is all those commodities to be taken over and controlled by 'the west.

You should be loyal to your own country instead of sympathizing with communist china and autocratic Russia.

[Yuri]

So, recently there were rumours about ....

Vladimir Vysotsky - A song about rumors

.....
Have you heard?
Mamykin is taken away,
for lechery
for drunkenness
for debauchery,
and your neighbor is taken away,
they say that he looks like Beria!
There are rumors here and there,
and toothless old women carry them to the corners.
.....

[Michael Kenny]

So, recently there were rumours about ....

Vladimir Vysotsky - A song about rumors

.....
Have you heard?
Mamykin is taken away,
for lechery
for drunkenness
for debauchery,
and your neighbor is taken away,
they say that he looks like Beria!
There are rumors here and there,
and toothless old women carry them to the corners.
.....

Rumours? Oh for the days of good old rumours. Today countries are overrun by crazy 'Q' Cultists. A good proportion of the western population are either morons or certifiably insane.

[ljadw]

I don't see the connection between having a villa in Europe of 8 million Euro (value ? or cost ?) and being forced to tell fairy tales about people wanting to join Russia .

So, recently there were rumours about former president Medvedev parted with his wife. She left him because of his alcoholism. And the next day he made a video with her telling about family values to Russians. Is there any connection or just coincidence?

Were these rumors confirmed ?

[ljadw]

China and India have their own agendas, they are not interested in supporting Russia (China has claims against Russia): they are only interested in weakening the West AND Russia.

Try and think it through. Are you really suggesting China will stand by and watch Russia go under so that it, and it alone, will be the future single target of all Western economic sabotage? It is absurd to think that China will give up its partner and together they make a very effective 'blocking' bloc at The UN. Russia is very resource-rich and the last thing China wants is all those commodities to be taken over and controlled by 'the west.

You should be loyal to your own country instead of sympathizing with communist china and autocratic Russia.

Since a long time, China has ceased to be communist:a communist country with a lot of billionaires is not a communist country .
And why should we be loyal to Ukraine ?

[Peter89]

China and India have their own agendas, they are not interested in supporting Russia (China has claims against Russia): they are only interested in weakening the West AND Russia.

Try and think it through. Are you really suggesting China will stand by and watch Russia go under so that it, and it alone, will be the future single target of all Western economic sabotage? It is absurd to think that China will give up its partner and together they make a very effective 'blocking' bloc at The UN. Russia is very resource-rich and the last thing China wants is all those commodities to be taken over and controlled by 'the west.

No. I think China will always support the conflict inside the Western powers (from their perspective, US, Russia and Europe are part of the West). Russia will not go under, but the war is already costly. On the global scale, the relative power of the said three will further diminish and it is Chinese (Indian, etc.) interest.
If it was 1989-1992 today, China would take lands from the SU. Their ancient lands, which the Russians took from them. When China, already 5-10 times stronger than Russia cooperates with Russia, it will not necessarily favor the Russians, but it will favor the Chinese.

The only neighbour Russia had with no dispute with them was Europe.

[Martin_from_Valhalla]

So, recently there were rumours about ....

Vladimir Vysotsky - A song about rumors

.....
Have you heard?
Mamykin is taken away,
for lechery
for drunkenness
for debauchery,
and your neighbor is taken away,
they say that he looks like Beria!
There are rumors here and there,
and toothless old women carry them to the corners.
.....

Are you sure you want to deny that Russia is ruled by corrupted gang of theifs?

[ljadw]

Why would that be important ?
Do you mean that if Russia was not ruled by a corrupted gang of thieves, it would have the right to invade Ukraine ?
You still have given no reasons why the members of NATO should give billions of Euro to a country that is ruled by a corrupt gang of thieves, that is no member of NATO, that is not important for our security and that between 2015 and 2022 sold weapons to Russia .

[Martin_from_Valhalla]

Elizabeth II died. RIP.

[Martin_from_Valhalla]

Ukrainians wedged into Russian defence and freed Balaklea. They made 50 kilometers in this breakthrough.

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Ukrainians wedged into Russian defence and freed Balaklea. They made 50 kilometers in this breakthrough.

This wedge has been growing for some time, but it just grew even more. It is a mystery why the Russians have not closed the small salient. While the salient is growing they are attacking in the Donbass. Odd, isn't it?

Russian Units in the rear, Izyum Salient 8/14 from open sources:

237th TR, 3rd MRD
119th MRR, 1st AC (Separatist unit)
49th MGAR, 18th MGAD
39th SMRB, 68th AC
6th GTR, 90th GTD
1st GTR, 2nd GMRD
288th MRR, 90 GTD
201st MRD HQ with two combat battalions stationed.
5th SGMRB, 41st CAA
3rd GSB, GRU
30th SMRB, 2nd GCAA
21st SGMRB, 2nd GCAA
12th SGENB CMD
338th GRAB EMD

90th Guards Tank Division

Artillery Group Lyman with the following:
232nd Rocket Artillery Brigade
119th Missile Brigade
400th Artillery Regiment
120th Artillery Brigade
385th Guards Artillery Brigade

All these units essentially form a second echelon.