Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

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Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by LAstry2 » 12 Jun 2022 13:19

First the British Empire tried to ally itself with Arab nations 1917-1949 to dominate the Middle east
Second the United States tried to ally itself with Arab Nations 1956...a failed policy that is still going on.....
https://www.thetower.org/article/we-are ... ael-doran/ :oops:

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Post by Peter89 » 13 Jun 2022 12:28

That's a completely wrong interpretation.
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Post by CogCalgary » 13 Jun 2022 14:43

Ike understood that Britain and France could not afford their colonies,and certainly their brutal methods to maintain control were a disaster.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by Sheldrake » 14 Jun 2022 23:33

Another LAstry2 post consisting of a link to a controversial article.... In this case a piece published by "The Tower.org" Apparently "TheTower.org was founded in January 2013 as a project of TIP, a nonpartisan 501(c)3 educational organization based in Washington D.C. that works to provide facts about Israel and the Middle East to press, policy makers and the public."

TIP may be non partisan but the result looks like rather crude pro-Israeli propaganda.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by Nemmexe » 01 Jul 2022 21:35

It's more than 105 years ... It originally dates back to early days of Safavid dynasty!!!

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Post by wm » 01 Jul 2022 22:11

The support for the re-establishment of Israel was a huge mistake. It destabilized the entire region, led to immense suffering, and continues to do so even today.
Jewish nationalists love to point out that post-ww2 Israel was the only safe place for Jews but facts deny it.
The majority of European Jews didn't go to Israel. They went somewhere else, preferably to the US.

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Post by OpanaPointer » 02 Jul 2022 00:12

The Middle East was one of the places that invented organized warfare, homicidal religions, and the perpetual grudge.
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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by wm » 02 Jul 2022 12:55

Please, that's straight from American right-wing propaganda, driven mainly by Republicans' hate towards (admittedly buffoonish) Obama and his highly misguided let's show-the-Muslims-lots-of-love efforts.

The Middle East (or, more appropriately, The Ottoman Empire) was a safe haven for the Jews and even European (mostly Polish and Hungarian) freedom fighters. One example is Józef Bem (a national hero of Poland and even more of Hungary), who became the governor of Aleppo (now in Syria.)

The Ottoman Empire liked to outsource the country's administration and even the economy to non-Turks. Mostly Greeks, Armenians, and Jews.
And, in turn, was betrayed by all of them, although admittedly, the Jews supported the Empire the longest and most fervently.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by CogCalgary » 02 Jul 2022 20:46

wm wrote:
01 Jul 2022 22:11
The support for the re-establishment of Israel was a huge mistake. It destabilized the entire region, led to immense suffering, and continues to do so even today.
Jewish nationalists love to point out that post-ww2 Israel was the only safe place for Jews but facts deny it.
The majority of European Jews didn't go to Israel. They went somewhere else, preferably to the US.
That support vanished rather quickly if we look at Pasha Glubb and the Arab Legion.

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Post by wm » 03 Jul 2022 13:16

The Arab Legion was nothing more than the usual colonial army. It had nothing to do with the Jews.
The British, cheap bastards, outsourced everything (security, defense, administration) to the natives everywhere it was possible in their colonies.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by LAstry2 » 04 Jul 2022 10:39

What about the Safavid dynasty and the West?

What happened? How did the West Countries meddle in Middle East Politics??????

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by CogCalgary » 04 Jul 2022 11:38

wm wrote:
03 Jul 2022 13:16
The Arab Legion was nothing more than the usual colonial army. It had nothing to do with the Jews.
The British, cheap bastards, outsourced everything (security, defense, administration) to the natives everywhere it was possible in their colonies.
It was a complete reversal of policy by the British.What changed?

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Post by historygeek2021 » 04 Jul 2022 14:54

You mean 105 years of arrogant Europeans and Americans interfering in the lives of the people of the Middle East, just like they've been doing to most of the world for the past 5 centuries.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by wm » 04 Jul 2022 23:20

CogCalgary wrote:
04 Jul 2022 11:38
It was a complete reversal of policy by the British.What changed?
Did really anything change? Transjordan and Palestine were two different colonies (or rather protectorates.)
That they would go to war against each other wasn't planned or even expected.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by CogCalgary » 05 Jul 2022 03:18

wm wrote:
04 Jul 2022 23:20
CogCalgary wrote:
04 Jul 2022 11:38
It was a complete reversal of policy by the British.What changed?
Did really anything change? Transjordan and Palestine were two different colonies (or rather protectorates.)
That they would go to war against each other wasn't planned or even expected.
Perhaps you could clarify something.Was Glubb a servant of the British Empire in entirety at this point?Was he paid as a British soldier at this time?

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