Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

[wm]

razing the illegal and immoral mosque in front of the, sacred to Jew, Wailing Wall was correct.

From such words, chauvinism is made.

When in the thousandth way they charm,
“Homeland, harm”—and by this sleight
of-hand delude with coat-of-arms,
And incite by reason of “historical right”,
The power, the glory, the frontiers,
Of our fathers, forefathers and their banners,
Of heroes and martyrs;
When the bishop, priest and rabbi,
All emerge to bless your rifle to the skies,
Because they themselves have heard God say,
For the homeland all must fight today;
When the cadaverous screech of vulgarized
front-page paper headlines rings,
And herds of wild women canonize
—with flowers—our brave little soldierlings:

Not to mention that, according to the Hague Conventions, it (especially the destruction of the Muslim Quarter) was a massive war crime.

Art. 46.
Family honour and rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious convictions and practice, must be respected.
Private property cannot be confiscated.

[Princess Perfume]

as my half-siblings are Jewish, i dont have much time for Muhammed or his magic carpet.

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Are they ok with that guy from the Torah - Eiliah, traveling in a whirlwind?
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I don't even want to bring anything from the Talmud; that would be too easy and unfair.

[ljadw]

The Pulitzer Prize Board is not the NYT .

[ljadw]

Jews do not impose the Tora laws on Muslims, but Muslims impose the Koran on Jews .

[ljadw]

The NYT admitted that Duranty lied.

Not true; no evidence.
Sig Gissler, the administrator of the Pulitzer Prize board, stated that "there was not clear and convincing evidence of deliberate deception."

We know why he said this : the scandal would be too great and also his political bias .
The NYT said (after 60 years ! ) mea culpa : one of us lied ( a lot of them lied ) and we ( meaning :our predecessor) should have known it . The truth is that they knew it and the Pulitzer Prize board knew it, but that they did not care for reasons as cultural Marxism and money money .They agreed with comrade Duranty .
The NYT was an extension of the FDR administration and both were dominated by anti-Semites, fellow travelers, anti-Semitic fellow travelers and racists .
Duranty (thus the NYT ) kept silent about the anti-Semitic persecutions in the USSR and about Stalin's show trials .
It was the same for the massacre of Nanking, for the 1 million + deaths in Indonesia,etc..,but when during the first Israeli-Muslim war of 1948 ,a small number of Muslims were killed, the NYT and Einstein were whining .
But the Doctors Plot ? Sulzberger and Albert knew nothing : they refused to know anything about it . No letter from Albert to the NYT claiming that Koba was a fascist and a Nazi .

[wm]

The NYT said (after 60 years ! ) mea culpa : one of us lied ( a lot of them lied ) and we ( meaning :our predecessor) should have known it .

Not true.
No evidence was offered.
Actually, they said, "Mr. Duranty was neither a Communist nor swayed by Moscow gold."

The truth is that they knew it and the Pulitzer Prize board knew it, but that they did not care for reasons as cultural Marxism and money money .They agreed with comrade Duranty .

Not true.
No evidence was offered. Found on the Internet opinion.

The NYT was an extension of the FDR administration and both were dominated by anti-Semites, fellow travelers, anti-Semitic fellow travelers and racists .

Not true.
No evidence was offered. Found on the Internet opinion.

Duranty (thus the NYT ) kept silent about the anti-Semitic persecutions in the USSR and about Stalin's show trials .

Not true.
No evidence was offered. Found on the Internet opinion.

It was the same for the massacre of Nanking, for the 1 million + deaths in Indonesia,etc..,but when during the first Israeli-Muslim war of 1948 ,a small number of Muslims were killed, the NYT and Einstein were whining .
But the Doctors Plot ? Sulzberger and Albert knew nothing : they refused to know anything about it . No letter from Albert to the NYT claiming that Koba was a fascist and a Nazi .

Whataboutism.

[wm]

Jews do not impose the Tora laws on Muslims, but Muslims impose the Koran on Jews .

Not true. Actually, the Torah is more bloodthirsty than the Koran. From the Torah:

If you hear in one of your cities ... the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’
...
you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.

and this genocide:

Hyrcanus ... subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

You are constantly doing Bansai charges against my strongest point, Mr. ljadw, i.e., my knowledge of Jewish history.
Although I like it, it's not good tactics.

[ljadw]

On 17 August 1936,when the trials started, Duranty said : It is inconceivable that a public trial of such men would be held unless the authorities had full proofs of their guilt .
He said this while every one knew that these trials were only show trials and that the verdict was decided before the trials started .
This proofs that Duranty was only a Cheka agent who lied for money .

[ljadw]

Jews do not impose the Tora laws on Muslims, but Muslims impose the Koran on Jews .

Not true. Actually, the Torah is more bloodthirsty than the Koran. From the Torah:

If you hear in one of your cities ... that certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’
...
you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.

and this genocide:

Hyrcanus ... subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

You are constantly doing Bansai charges against my strongest point, Mr. ljadw, i.e., my knowledge of Jewish history.
Although I like it, it's not good tactics.

Whataboutism .
It is not what the content is of the Tora, but the question if the Jews impose the Tora on non Jews .
We know that Muslims impose the Koran on non Muslims ( Sharia for Belgium, etc ,) but there are no proofs that the Jews impose the Tora on non Jews .
In districts of Antwerp and Brussels, Muslim fundamentalists impose the Hijab on Muslim and non Muslim women .In Wuppertal the Sharia police patrolled/patrols demanding people to stop listening music and to drink alcohol .

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It is inconceivable that a public trial of such men would be held unless the authorities had full proofs of their guilt.

Actually, it was true; it was inconceivable. Lots of people thought it was inconceivable.
Nothing wrong with it.
And nothing wrong with the fact that some communist trash was put to death - even if inconceivable.

[wm]

We know that Muslims impose the Koran on non Muslims ( Sharia for Belgium, etc ,) but there are no proofs that the Jews impose the Tora on non Jews .

False and, as usual, no evidence. Sharia is for Muslims only.
And the Orthodox Jews impose the Talmud on everybody all the time. Examples on request.

[Princess Perfume]

Yes, I'm confused too. I have always taken the liberal-left-progressive line that freedom, democracy, progress and prosperity, are universal values, not just western ones, and that Arabs and Muslims, like everyone else, aspire to have them. I'm afraid I'm increasingly being forced to agree with those who say that these are in fact western values, based ultimately on Christianity, and that they cannot be exported - not to the Arab and Muslim worlds anyway. They have been reasonably successfully exported, in modified forms, to parts of East Asia and to India, but there is really no example anywhere of a long-term successful Arab democracy. On the rare occasions there have been free elections in Arab countries, they have been won by Islamists whose platform is essentially theocratic. Even in the non-Arab Muslim world, only Indonesia and Albania are functioning democracies, and Indonesia is now backsliding.

[ljadw]

East is east and West is west and never the twain shall meet .
Author : Rudyard Kipling ,left-liberal progressist par excellence .

[ljadw]

We know that Muslims impose the Koran on non Muslims ( Sharia for Belgium, etc ,) but there are no proofs that the Jews impose the Tora on non Jews .

False and, as usual, no evidence. Sharia is for Muslims only.
And the Orthodox Jews impose the Talmud on everybody all the time. Examples on request.

Never heard of Sharia for Britain and Anjem Choudary ? Of course not .
On its website Islam 4 UK said that it wanted to '' convince the British public about the superiority of Islam ,thereby changing public opinion in favour of of Islam in order to transfer the authority and power to the Muslims in order to implement the Sharia in Britain . ''
When they were finally banned, The Guardian was very indignant . Of course .They were also indignant when US eliminated Bin Laden .
The Wuppertal Shariah SS was initially acquitted and it took 4 years before a higher court dared to condemn them .
I like to see examples where Jewish French force non Jewish people in France to follow the Torah .Or in Britain ,the US ...
And of course , WM never heard of the Cordoba Foundation and of The Muslim League in Poland,which, following the Polish security services,was influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood ,an other Muslim terrorist organisation .