Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by wm » 27 Aug 2022 21:06

ljadw wrote:
27 Aug 2022 19:40
Wrong : assimilated Jews (the majority of the Jews ) had not more chance to survive than the others, because it were the Germans who decided who was a Jew,and their motto was :once a Jew,always a Jew .
Wrong. The German Jews were like 3 percent of all victims. So their fate proves nothing.

If we are at it, you could deliver evidence that "most Jewish Americans are atheists," but we, of course, know as a fact that, as usual, will never happen.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by ljadw » 28 Aug 2022 06:28

58 % of Jewish Americans are married to non Jewish Americans .Source : Pew Research .
Some rabbis call the interfaith marriage a silent holocaust .
26 % of adult Jews only believe in God of the Bible (Pew Research 2020 )
Only 15 % of self-described Jews say that being Jewish is mainly a matter of religion . (Pew Research )
As in Germany before 1933, synagogues in the US are empty .Only after 1933 did Jewish Germans visit again the synagogues .It will be the same in the US .
One sees the same tendency in Israel .
Intermarriage, cutting the ties with the Jewish world, abandon the Jewish religion .

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by wm » 28 Aug 2022 13:24

The answer is 20 percent of atheists among American Jews.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by ljadw » 01 Sep 2022 06:48

How do you know this ?

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by Sid Guttridge » 02 Sep 2022 06:59

Hi ljadw,,

Try: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... 4O20131001

It is headlined, "One in five American Jews say they have no religion, survey finds."

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by Yuri » 02 Sep 2022 07:52

ljadw wrote:
28 Aug 2022 06:28
58 % of Jewish Americans are married to non Jewish Americans .Source : Pew Research .
Some rabbis call the interfaith marriage a silent holocaust .
26 % of adult Jews only believe in God of the Bible (Pew Research 2020 )
Only 15 % of self-described Jews say that being Jewish is mainly a matter of religion . (Pew Research )
As in Germany before 1933, synagogues in the US are empty .Only after 1933 did Jewish Germans visit again the synagogues .It will be the same in the US .
One sees the same tendency in Israel .
Intermarriage, cutting the ties with the Jewish world, abandon the Jewish religion .
Trouble unites.
Satiety (wealth) is a source of discord.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by ljadw » 02 Sep 2022 08:23

Sid Guttridge wrote:
02 Sep 2022 06:59
Hi ljadw,,

Try: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... 4O20131001

It is headlined, "One in five American Jews say they have no religion, survey finds."

Cheers,

Sid
1 There are no American Jews
2 the figure of 20 % is about those Americans who consider themselves as cultural and ethnic Jewish, but the majority of those who are labeled Jew,have no religion .
68 % are married with non Jews and a third of these do not raise their children as Jews .
3 Half of Jewish Americans seldom or never attend Jewish religious services .
Source: Pew Research center .

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by wm » 02 Sep 2022 08:49

Yeap, no Jews anywhere.
Of the 5.3 million adults counted as currently Jewish, 78% define themselves as Jewish by religion (4.2 million) and another 22% are classified as Jews of no religion, that is, Jews who say their religion is "none," but, who were raised Jewish or had a Jewish parent and still consider themselves to be Jewish aside from religion.

The 5.3 million Jewish adults represent 2.2% of all American adults; the 4.2 million Jews by religion represent 1.8% of U.S. adults, a finding consistent with the results of Gallup polls and the General Social Survey, as well as previous Pew Research Center studies.

The 22% of Jews with no religion is similar to the share of religious "nones" in the general population, which is 20%.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by ljadw » 02 Sep 2022 12:08

As usual ''forgetting '' useful information .
From Pew ( 11 May 2021 )
5,8 million Jewish adults of whom 4,2 million with Jewish as religion .
They do NOT define them as Jewish by religion .
1,5 million Jewish adults of no religion,
But they consider them still as Jewish .
And, 2,8 million adults with a Jewish background
1,9 million identify them with another religion
0,7 million with no religion .
And everyone ,except some people, knows that children with a Jewish background ( =children from intermarriage ) do not adhere to the religion of the mother or father,but are atheist .
On a total of 8,6 million adults only 4,2 have a Jewish religion, what does not exclude that they are atheists .The other 4,4 million are atheists .
And, from the same Pew of 11 May:
36 % of American Jews say that being Jewish is mainly about religion, religion and ancestry ,religion,ancestry and culture .
Or in other words : SIXTY-FOUR % of Jewish Americans say that religion has nothing to do with being Jewish.
And ,also from Pew (Jewish Identity and belief )
50 % of ''US Jews " (sic ) do not believe in God but only in some spiritual force .
This qualifies them as atheists .

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by wm » 02 Sep 2022 13:11

The literal definition of “atheist” is “a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods,” according to Merriam-Webster. And the vast majority of U.S. atheists fit this description: 81% say they do not believe in God or a higher power or in a spiritual force of any kind.
Pew Research Center

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by LAstry2 » 07 Sep 2022 00:15

wm wrote:
14 Aug 2022 10:30
The Jews were considered a formerly oppressed Soviet nationality and were treated like all the other formerly oppressed Soviet nationalities. ...

In the case of the Jews, this meant the creation of several special ethnoterritorial units in Ukraine and the Russian Republic and a massive promotion of the Yiddish language, theater, press, schools, and literature (complete with a large-scale celebration of Sholem Aleichem as the Jewish Pushkin). The enthusiasm of the Bolshevik Yiddishists was great ...
the problem was that, according to the official Marxist blueprint, the Jews were too far ahead of the Soviet culture-building effort.

There were many Soviet nationalities without compact homelands and many more Soviet nationalities that seemed unable to separate religion from ethnicity, but no other Soviet nationality was as top-heavy, in class terms ...; as heavily represented at the Soviet top; or as little interested in either the state's attack on its religion or the state's promotion of its "national culture."

No other ethnic group was as good at being Soviet, and no other ethnic group was as keen on abandoning its language, rituals, and traditional areas of settlement. No other nationality, in other words, was as Mercurian (all head and no body) or as revolutionary (all youth and no tradition).

The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine
How true......
Just as the Jewish Bund of Poland was trying to assimilate Jews into secular Polish Culture
Just as the jewish Bolshivks of Russia tried to assimilate Jews into secular USSR Culture
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/331471
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_ ... reword.htm

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by ljadw » 07 Sep 2022 06:38

Slezkine is an American anti-Semite who promotes the theory of Jewish Capitalism :''the Jews are Mercurian people ''. Julius Streicher said the same .

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by ljadw » 07 Sep 2022 06:59

Jews are not an ethnic group .
Jews are people who consider themselves as Jews.There is an other group : those who are labeled Jews by anti-Semites .
Marx did not consider himself as Jewish,thus all those who talk about the Jew Marx ,are anti-Semites .

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by Princess Perfume » 08 Sep 2022 15:00

Jews are a race as well as a religion.

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Re: Since 1917 105 years of western blunders in the Middle east

Post by wm » 08 Sep 2022 20:47

ljadw wrote:
07 Sep 2022 06:38
Slezkine is an American anti-Semite who promotes the theory of Jewish Capitalism :''the Jews are Mercurian people ''. Julius Streicher said the same .
Not true. More poison-the-well nonsense.

The Jews were Mercurian people. It's a hard fact.
Sources of income of the Polish Jews in the Second Polish Republic in 1931 (in parentheses, the Poles).
agriculture - 4 percent (67)
industry including mining - 42 (16)
trade and insurance - 39 (3)
mass communication and transport - 4 (4)
other - 13 (10)

Industry+mining shouldn't be understood that the Jews were workers or miners. The number of Jewish workers was just a few percent.

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