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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 31 Oct 2022 15:46

It doesn't pay to be pro-Ukrainian biased, disappointment is written in one's destiny.

In the real world, Sauron can win and war criminals like George W. Bush can die of old age..

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 31 Oct 2022 16:10

Cult Icon wrote:
31 Oct 2022 15:46
It doesn't pay to be pro-Ukrainian biased, disappointment is written in one's destiny.
Fighting the good fight at any level is a noble cause in itself. Supporting the absolute evil of Orc empire OTOH could never be good for the soul.
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31 Oct 2022 15:46
In the real world, Sauron can win
But there must be a time when even the evil Ivan empire finally collapses for good. No evil is eternal and the motorised hordes of modern-day Genghis Khans will eventually pop their last turret.
Cult Icon wrote:
31 Oct 2022 15:46
and war criminals like George W. Bush can die of old age..
Evil is relative and as war criminals go old Bush never was such a scum sucking lowlife as Bloodymir Putin.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 31 Oct 2022 18:36

Cult Icon wrote:
31 Oct 2022 15:46
It doesn't pay to be pro-Ukrainian biased, disappointment is written in one's destiny.

In the real world, Sauron can win and war criminals... can die of old age..
Are you acknowledging the fact that imperialist Russia represents forces of evil?
If so, why are you pro-Orc and does that pay?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 01 Nov 2022 00:50

"Latest Levada opinion poll on public mood in Russia:

October
36% want to “continue military operations” in Ukraine
57% want to “begin peace talks”

September
44% for continuing the offensive
48% for starting peace talks"

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/15 ... 5259671553

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 03:52

10/31 ISW

These contradictory claims are quite amusing:
Russian forces conducted another massive wave of missiles strikes targeting critical Ukrainian infrastructure across the country on October 31, likely in an attempt to degrade Ukraine’s will to fight as temperatures drop. Russian forces fired over 50 Kh-101 and Kh-555 missiles from the northern Caspian Sea and the Volgodonsk region of Rostov Oblast, targeting critical Ukrainian energy infrastructure.[1] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian air defenses shot down 44 out of over 50 Russian missiles.[2] Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal reported that the strikes damaged 18 mostly energy-related targets across 10 Ukrainian regions.[3] Ukrainian officials reported that Russian strikes cut off water to 80% of Kyiv residents on October 31 and left hundreds of thousands without power.[4]
The Ukr General Staff claims that only 6 cruise missiles hit their targets but somehow "18 targets" across 10 regions were damaged.

The math doesn't add up :lol:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by paulrward » 01 Nov 2022 04:29

Hello All

To Mr. Cult Icon : You Posted ;
The Ukr General Staff claims that only 6 cruise missiles hit
their targets but somehow "18 targets" across 10 regions were damaged.

The math doesn't add up :lol:

However, IF YOU GO BACK AND READ THE REPORT YOU QUOTED, THE UKRAINIAN
GENERAL STAFF DID NOT CLAIM THAT ONLY 6 MISSILES HIT THEIR TARGETS.
Russian forces fired over 50 Kh-101 and Kh-555 missiles from the northern
Caspian Sea and the Volgodonsk region of Rostov Oblast, targeting critical Ukrainian
energy infrastructure.
[1] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian air defenses shot down 44
out of over 50 Russian missiles.
[2] Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal reported that the strikes damaged 18
mostly energy-related targets across 10 Ukrainian regions.
The Report stated that the Russians fired OVER 50 missiles. NOT EXACTLY 50, NOT
APPROXIMATELY 50, NOT ROUGHLY 50. BUT OVER 50 !

The Ukrainians claimed to have shot down 44 missiles. They admitted that
18 missiles struck their targets.

Do the Math! 44 + 18 = 62.

62 Missiles is OVER 50.

The math is that the Ukrainians are shooting down about 70 % of Russian Missiles. The rest
get through.

Here is the question: Is the value of the damage they are inflicting greater than the cost of the
missiles ?

Respectfully ;

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 06:13

That's if you believe Ukrainian claims, which are frequently inaccurate.

Typically if it was over 60, people would claim 'over 60'. not 'over 50'.

The Russians claim over 40 targets hit.

Maybe the truth is somewhere in between?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 01 Nov 2022 07:02

Cult Icon wrote:
01 Nov 2022 03:52
10/31 ISW

These contradictory claims are quite amusing:
Russian forces conducted another massive wave of missiles strikes targeting critical Ukrainian infrastructure across the country on October 31, likely in an attempt to degrade Ukraine’s will to fight as temperatures drop. Russian forces fired over 50 Kh-101 and Kh-555 missiles from the northern Caspian Sea and the Volgodonsk region of Rostov Oblast, targeting critical Ukrainian energy infrastructure.[1] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian air defenses shot down 44 out of over 50 Russian missiles.[2] Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal reported that the strikes damaged 18 mostly energy-related targets across 10 Ukrainian regions.[3] Ukrainian officials reported that Russian strikes cut off water to 80% of Kyiv residents on October 31 and left hundreds of thousands without power.[4]
The Ukr General Staff claims that only 6 cruise missiles hit their targets but somehow "18 targets" across 10 regions were damaged.

The math doesn't add up
Are you taking into account that if over 44 out of over 50 Russian missiles are shot down and 18 targets are hit, nothing says that the targets were only hit by misssiles (especially since your quote was a composite from four sources); e.g.
October 22. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on October 22 that Russian forces launched 40 missile strikes and 16 Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones at Ukrainian infrastructure and that Ukrainian forces shot down 20 Russian cruise missiles and 11 Russian drones.
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Russian forces conducted air, missile, and drone strikes against targets in Ukraine at a markedly slower tempo than in previous days.
The Ukrainian General Staff reported on October 24 that Russian forces conducted 2 missile and 28 air strikes, and Ukrainian forces shot down 16 Shahed-136 drones on October 23.
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 01 Nov 2022 08:38

Cult Icon wrote:
01 Nov 2022 03:52
10/31 ISW

These contradictory claims are quite amusing:
...The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian air defenses shot down 44 out of over 50 Russian missiles.[2] Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal reported that the strikes damaged 18 mostly energy-related targets across 10 Ukrainian regions.[3]
The Ukr General Staff claims that only 6 cruise missiles hit their targets but somehow "18 targets" across 10 regions were damaged.

The math doesn't add up
So in your opinion over 50 minus 44 is always 6. That math doesn't add up as paulrward mentioned earlier.

Also based on your opinion if a nice Orc war criminal has over 50 apples and nasty Ukrainians take 44 of those leaving the Ruffian rapist with just 18 apples and oranges, the math doesn't add up.
Rather it is your math which doesn't add up.

BTW what cult are you the icon of; Former members of the Nazhi Putin-Jugend perhaps?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 01 Nov 2022 12:47

Grain shipments continuing

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LOL

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 01 Nov 2022 12:50

Aleksey Arestovych:

"Battlefield update:
Draftees arriving in large quantities (about 100k at the moment) are starting to have effect on front. Front-line is now stabilized (partially due to 🇺🇦 having shortage of weapons). Freed regular units are used on counter-attacks near Bakhmut, New York (for 8th month), Donetsk airport, Marinka, Novomykhailivka and Vuhledar. 🇺🇦 managed to stabilize situation, waiting for tomorrow to see any changes.
Due to political pressure, 🇷🇺 command used available reserves immediately, without any concentration and planning.

Bakhmut:
🇷🇺 attacking 8 infantry waves before lunch, and 8 waves after lunch. However front line is moving away from Bakhmut.

🔥 Kherson:
Heavy fuss, battles for crossroads, advances for 100-200 meters there and back. 🇺🇦 has artillery superiority, and using it to hit everywhere – warehouses, MLRS locations, ammo depots, command posts, etc."
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 13:13

On Russian conscript class 2022-2023 (130,000 men):

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iQyGIjouAk&t=1s

-Basic training is 1-2 months, then 3-6 months of advanced training before arriving to their assigned units. A pre-war source I read considered the conscript usable in the final 3 months of service in peacetime conditions, with the conscripts typically completing 8 months of training with the remainder of their service with the units.

-Russian law prevents conscripts from entering combat with less than 4 months of training.

-If this wartime conscript class has their training accelerated, they could potentially be deployed in March/April 2023.

-The Russian authorities are promising that conscript class 2022-2023 will not be deployed in Ukraine but this could change. If these conscripts are called up- just like in the war in Afghanistan and the Chechen war they would constitute another addition to the manpower pool besides the continuous efforts of the Russians to collect volunteers. So circa 83,000 plus volunteers, plus 300,000 reservists, and 130,000 conscripts and we're looking at a potential reinforcement pool of well over half a million men collected since the start of the war. And there is covert mobilization to consider, which is an unknown quantity.

In addition, the PMCs are actively recruiting (even from Russian prisons) and occupied Ukraine will continue to conscript and collect volunteers of Ukrainians for DRP/LRP formations. There are also Chechens being recruited for more National Guard formations.
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 13:55

In addition, in 2021 the BARS Combat reserve was raised. The target for this program was to create a pool of an additional 38,000 active reservists. Elements have already been used in the Ukraine, these men appeared to be used together in their own combat formation, eg. BARS-##

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 01 Nov 2022 14:58

Cult Icon wrote:
01 Nov 2022 13:13
occupied Ukraine will continue to conscript and collect volunteers of Ukrainians for DRP/LRP formations.
i.e. press-ganging to aid the enemies of mankind continues:
The European Union has condemned what it says is Moscow’s campaign to conscript men in annexed Crimea into the Russian military.

In a statement, the EU said Crimean Tatars were being “deliberately and disproportionately targeted in the implementation of Russia’s mobilization order and reportedly forcibly involved in Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine, their traditional homeland.”
“Today’s step constitutes yet another violation of international law by Russia” the EU statement said.

On Monday, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said the conscription campaign in Crimea was the 16th since 2015.
“In this time, the Russian occupation administration in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol illegally forced about 36,000 Ukrainians into military service,” it said.
Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry added that “a mobilization campaign is also underway in Crimea, the nature and methods of which testify to the desire of the Russian military-political leadership to reduce the number of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars on the peninsula.”
Russian occupation authorities reportedly plan to force Russian citizenship on Ukrainian civilians in occupied parts of Ukraine by October 30, likely in part to legalize the forced mobilization of Ukrainian civilians as part of the November 1 autumn conscription cycle. The Ukrainian mayors of Enerhodar and Melitopol reported on October 28 that all Ukrainian civilians in Russian-occupied parts of Zaporizhia Oblast will automatically become Russian citizens beginning on October 30 without their consent, two days before the autumn conscription cycle begins.[74] Russian forces are likely attempting to legitimize the forcible conscription of Ukrainian men as part of that cycle after their previous efforts to force Ukrainian civilians to accept Russian passports were largely unsuccessful. The Ukrainian head of the Zaporizhia Oblast Military Administration announced on October 28 that Russian forces are not allowing Ukrainian men to leave Russian-occupied areas, and are only allowing small numbers of women, children, and the elderly to return to Ukrainian-held territory.[75]
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 01 Nov 2022 15:53

In addition, conscript class 2021-2022 has already been trained, which provides another six-figure pool of troops.

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