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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Nov 2022 06:56

Ukrainian army as a whole has been good in the defense, poor in the offense. Russian army as a whole has been good in the defense, sub-par in the offense. Combined arms and coordination on both sides has ranged from poor to sub-par. The Russian army has the excuse of being missing their infantry battalions, the Ukrainians don't have that excuse.

When one looks at a quantitative basis things are very different.

The Russian infantry arm has been interestingly survivable in the attack and strong in the defense. If they weren't Russia would have withdrew from Ukraine in the spring. Russian/Ukrainian artillery has performed well in the defense and has been a force multiplier for the infantry. I don't expect the Russian reservist infantry to be as good as the professional-contract troops.

But in the offense the artillery/missile did not perform the degree of attrition expected by Russian/Ukrainian command, despite gigantic expenditure of ammunition. Russian and Ukrainian armored performance has been poor, excessive losses.

Neither army has been very good. The Ukrainian propaganda shrills in the mainstream media are idiots and are wrong.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 07 Nov 2022 09:21

Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
Ukrainian army as a whole has been good in the defense, poor in the offense.
Ukrainian army as a whole has been good in the defense and excellent in the offense when they make a concentrated effort as in their first major offensive in the Kharkiv region.
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
Combined arms and coordination on both sides has ranged from poor to sub-par.
What can you expect when forced to totally or largely use inferior Ivan base designs. And Ukrainian combined arms operation in their only major offensive was good enough to give the Ruffian and Proxy Rats an "also ran" status.
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
The Russian army has the excuse of being missing their infantry battalions, the Ukrainians don't have that excuse.
Ukrainians don't need to make excuses: One major offensive, one major victory.
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
When one looks at a quantitative basis things are very different.
Since you have proven yourself incapable of handling calculations involving double-digit numbers somewhat over 50, you really should steer clear from quantitative analysis. :lol: :lol:
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
The Russian infantry arm has been interestingly survivable in the attack and strong in the defense.
The Ruffian infantry has been just more meat for the grinder with low life expectancy at the front.
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
If they weren't Russia would have withdrew from Ukraine in the spring.
Because of the delightfully low survivability in the poor bloody infantry Orc officialdom has been forced to jump all sort of hoops to persuade or coerce Orcs or population of orcified Ukraine to become offerings on the altar of Baal Putin.
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07 Nov 2022 06:56
I don't expect the Russian reservist infantry to be as good as the professional-contract troops.
Not as good you say. Do you mean that the mobiks are even worse looters, murderers, rapists and torturers than the regular Ruffian Rapist army?

In that case, how fortunate that
The “sad” statistics of the first KIA mobilized roughly shows how a typical Russian mobilized man will fare against the motivated Ukrainian army. On average – 4 days to live, and then – KIA, WIA or POW.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/36 ... lysis.html

Even Wanker Group prisoner volunteers are said to survive 9 days. Then again they are more likely to end up dead than WIA/POW.
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07 Nov 2022 06:56
But in the offense the artillery/missile did not perform the degree of attrition expected by Russian/Ukrainian command, despite gigantic expenditure of ammunition.

Lately the Ukrainian artillery has had the edge over the Orcs' and with an expenditure of ammunition that has hardly been gigantic (compared to the Ruffians). One has to wonder how much of the Ruffian quota has been used for their usual civilian-killing.
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
Russian and Ukrainian armored performance has been poor, excessive losses.
Again what can you expect when forced to totally or largely use inferior Ivan base designs.
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
Neither army has been very good.

The Rapist army has been both evil and of inferior performance; The Ukrainian army are far above the Ruffian rats in both fighting spirit and performance.
Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
The Ukrainian propaganda shrills in the mainstream media are idiots and are wrong.
Pro-Orc trolls are evil, demented liars and deserve an extra-cold corner in the Ruffian Hell along with the criminal Orc officialdom and the mad, murdering mob of Moujiks constituting their forces of absolute evil.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 07 Nov 2022 09:55

Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
The Ukrainian propaganda shrills in the mainstream media are idiots and are wrong.
Since you constantly spout untruths I guess that is a compliment to Western mainstream media.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Nov 2022 13:07

Donbass continues to flare up, likely due to the inflow reservists freeing up the PMC and Separatist units for the assault
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Nov 2022 15:33

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55

If the loss of territory and equipment was such a big factor to moral, one could assume the same of the Ukrainian army, but likewise the majority of what I see in videos and written by Ukrainian soldiers shows they still have high spirits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpC1kXhW2Lw&t=7s

12:08

A lot of Ukrainian units complained of poor training, equipment, and suicidal orders during the campaign for Luhansk Oblast.

Not surprisingly there have been some from the Russian side protesting the mobilization or complaining about living conditions/equipment, which the western media eagerly reports.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 07 Nov 2022 16:26

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
Over the last 8 months the Russian army took about 100,000km2+
An honest person would have mentioned that at the start of the Orcs' special needs massacre operation 16,799 sqkm were already in the hands of Derp and Larper Proxy Rats.

An honest person would also have mentioned that the Ruffian criminals attacked an unmobilised country at the time of the Orcs' own choosing which quite naturally contributed to them being able to initially nazify and militarise large parts of the Ukraine for their looting, raping, torturing and murdering pleasure.

An honest person would also have mentioned the evil Ivan imperialists' threatening the Ukrainian capital which of course initially contributed to the good people's mainly delaying actions in the East.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
and still hold about 90,000km2 of that
An honest person might have quoted the ca. 82,000 sqkm figure from the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy last Thursday.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
the Ukrainian army retook about 10,000km2+ in the same time
An honest person would not have forgotten the minor matter of evil Orcs running for Mama Mordor and Putin's Bitch Puke-a-shenka in late-March...early-April
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or other pre- Kharkiv Operation Orc setbacks or try to belittle Ukrainian accomplishments and exaggerate Orc gains.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
forgive my very rough numbers
I doubt that anyone expects anything but pro-Orc bias from the likes of you.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
that doesn't suggest to me poorer performance of the Russian army than the Ukrainian.
I doubt that anyone expects anything but pro-Orc bias from the likes of you.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 07 Nov 2022 16:50

Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 15:33
A lot of Ukrainian units complained of poor training, equipment, and suicidal orders during the campaign for Luhansk Oblast.
If so, could it possibly be e.g. due to the fact that social media and other free expression of opinion is widely available for the Ukrainian troops, not the Ruffian though.
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07 Nov 2022 15:33
Not surprisingly there have been some from the Russian side protesting the mobilization or complaining about living conditions/equipment, which the western media eagerly reports.
Not surprisingly since it takes more guts to complain in an evil dictatorship which treats its citizens, especially ethnic minorities, as disposable goods and has banned e.g. Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.

BTW Since you have proven yourself incapable of handling calculations involving double-digit numbers somewhat over 50, it is quite suspect that your expressions like a lot and some conform to normal usage especially considering what a pro-Orc troll you are :lol: :lol:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 07 Nov 2022 16:54

Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 15:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpC1kXhW2Lw&t=7s

12:08

A lot of Ukrainian units complained of poor training, equipment, and suicidal orders during the campaign for Luhansk Oblast.

Not surprisingly there have been some from the Russian side protesting the mobilization or complaining about living conditions/equipment, which the western media eagerly reports.
A video from 5 months ago.

Whilst the fighting for Severodonetsk and Lysychansk was undoubtedly costly for the Ukrainians, it was shortly followed by a major stepping up of Western aid including GMLRS.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 07 Nov 2022 16:57

peeved wrote:
07 Nov 2022 16:26
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
Over the last 8 months the Russian army took about 100,000km2+
An honest person would have mentioned that at the start of the Orcs' special needs massacre operation 16,799 sqkm were already in the hands of Derp and Larper Proxy Rats.
It might also be mentioned that since the first week of Putin's war, the Ukrainians have liberated more of their land than they have lost.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by mezsat2 » 07 Nov 2022 22:49

Cult Icon wrote:
05 Nov 2022 18:29


This was the primary source? :lol:
It appears the Stalingrad scenario has now been recreated in the 21st
century by Putin, with one major difference. Stalin insisted the civilian
population remain in the city as "the troops would fight harder" to
ostensibly protect them from the Germans.

As we now know, 40,000 of them were killed in a single raid by the Luftwaffe
in August 1942. Putin's motivation for evacuation is quite different- he
simply needs all the warm bodies he can get his hands on to provide
whatever services he can get out of them on the left bank of the Dnieper.

Again, the bridges are still useable for people to walk out, but utterly
destroyed for purposes of any kind of heavy military traffic. Like Stalingrad,
they have been using various boats and barges to transport supplies for
the troops (and remove anything of real value- like tanks and good artillery
pieces).

Ukraine is aggressively deploying drones, sited artillery and occasional air
strikes to shut these down, but it's a difficult task. Of course, the Russians
have thrown up a number of pontoon bridges which were quickly annihilated
by HIMARS and artillery- just like the Stukas continually wiped out Red
Army pontoon bridges on the Volga, but had a tougher time slowing down the
boat traffic.

Anyway, to the point, it would probably be wiser for UKR troops to stay out
of the city and focus completely on destroying every boat and landing they
can spot on satellite (and any missile launchers) on the east bank. Russian
artillery over there is generally outranged as long as UKR remains in standoff
positions.

They could possibly use well hidden sniper positions, drones and sporadic surprise
hit and run commando attacks to get them to pointlessly expend ammunition
as well. The lower Dnieper freezes solidly enough in winter to completely shut down
ferry traffic but not solidly enough to support trucks (and obviously tanks).

Putin's ultimate goal isn't to keep Kherson but to turn it into a killing ground to
inflict as many casualties on the UKR forces as possible. Deny that to him by staying
out of range and destroy his ability to supply the forces he's garrisoned there-
and the whole lot will surrender by Spring for lack of supplies (mainly food). He could
possibly evacuate, but I don't think he will.

https://wavellroom.com/2022/11/01/russi ... at-dnipro/

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Nov 2022 23:29

I saw in Russian news that they are collecting Ukrainians in Zaporizhia Oblast as part of "partial mobilization". This is surprising to me.

Previously they conscripted heavily in the DPR and LPR territories but it seems that they may be considering Ukrainian reservists in the four occupied oblasts (now by Russian law, part of Russia) as candidates for conscription.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by wm » 07 Nov 2022 23:35

Forced conscription of citizens of a foreign country is a (solid) war crime.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 00:31

Cult Icon wrote:
07 Nov 2022 06:56
The Russian infantry arm has been interestingly survivable in the attack and strong in the defense.
Actual Mobik survivability and excellence of equipment; Sharing shovels to dig their own graves:
Hours after Aleksei Agafonov arrived in the Luhansk region on 1 November as part of a battalion of new conscripts, his unit were handed shovels and ordered to dig trenches throughout the night.

Their digging, which they took turns to do because of the lack of available shovels, was abruptly interrupted in the early hours of the next day as Ukrainian artillery lit up the sky and shells started raining down on Agafonov and his unit.

“A Ukrainian drone first flew over us, and after that their artillery started to pound us for hours and hours, nonstop,” Agafonov, who survived the shelling, told the Guardian in a phone interview on Monday.

“I saw men being ripped apart in front of me, most of our unit is gone, destroyed. It was hell,” he said, adding that his unit’s commanders abandoned them just before the shelling started.

Agafonov was called up on 16 October alongside 570 other conscripts in Voronezh, a city in the south-west of Russia, as part of Vladimir Putin’s nationwide mobilisation push that has seen more than 300,000 men drafted to go and fight in a war that the Kremlin calls its “special military operation”.

After the attacks stopped, Agafonov, with roughly a dozen other soldiers, retreated from the forest outside the Luhansk town of Makiivka to the nearby Russian-controlled city of Svatove. In Svatove, Agafonov and his group moved into a deserted building, trying to contact other mobilised soldiers who had been with him that night.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... -in-attack

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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