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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 10 Nov 2022 13:38

Donbass continues with August 2022-level intensity. I suppose that the Russians will continue the Donbass campaign in full now. Their theater commander also claimed that they will shift 50% of the Kherson west bank group to other Oblasts.

This is more or less 8,000 troops.

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Early signs of withdrawal:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 10 Nov 2022 13:59

VanillaNuns wrote:
10 Nov 2022 09:35

Elon Musk's peace plan is a pretty good outcome for both sides. The politicians just don't want to admit it.
Part of the libertarian wing of the Republican party, including Donald Trump favor the end of Cold War 2 with Russia. They favor US-Russia negotiations for an end of the Ukraine war. Some talk of cutting off funding for Ukraine.

However, Midterm elections in the US has not gone as well for the Reds as anticipated.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 10 Nov 2022 14:39

Cult Icon wrote:
10 Nov 2022 13:31
VanillaNuns wrote:
10 Nov 2022 09:35
Casualty figure estimates from the US Joint Chiefs of Staff:

100,000 x Russian soldiers dead or wounded

100,000 x Ukrainian soldiers dead or wounded

40,000 x Ukrainian civilians dead
This figure you post is actually one of the more realistic ones but the Ukrainian number is far too low.
Why should anyone believe quantitative assessments from someone like you who has proven himself incapable of handling calculations involving double-digit numbers somewhat over 50? :lol: :lol:
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10 Nov 2022 13:31
The Russian casualties are definitely nowhere similar to the Ukrainian.

Quite, the Ruffian losses in KIA are far more severe than the Ukrainian ones. Especially so if one in addition to Ruffian soldiers counts the losses of Derp and Larper Proxy Rats and non-military criminal organisations such as FSB, Nazional Guard, Wanker Group etc.
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10 Nov 2022 13:31
The Uk/US/Ukrainian claims of Russian casualties are propaganda, the Russian army in Ukraine had nowhere the OOB for those type of losses.

Ever heard of replacements? When introduced into the system of a military like the Orcs' (Just feeding more meat into the grinder) they make losses far outnumbering any OOBs inevitable. Equally so do WIAs returning to their units although the inferior Ivan military medicine and their lack of concern for troops' wellbeing reduce those.
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10 Nov 2022 13:31
On the other hand the Ukrainians do and their defense minister had admitted that their military deaths in the tens of thousands a few months ago.

Source please?
Was that before or after the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valeriy Zaluzhnyi saying on 22.08.2022 that nearly 9,000 Ukrainian military personnel had been killed in the war with Russia?
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10 Nov 2022 13:31
This is also consistent with the immense disparity of weight of fire.
...Much of which is used for indiscriminate civilian-killing as is the Orc way. Additionally the superior quality of Ukrainian Western-sourced artillery and munitions and the much improved Ukrainian counter-battery work has improved the efficiency of their fire; cf. the destruction of the 29:30 shovelless Orc unit a little while back.
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10 Nov 2022 13:31
The Russian military deaths at this point are likely an even split between Russian army vs proxy (separatist, PMC)
Well over 200,000 killed and wounded then, nice.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 10 Nov 2022 15:00

Please use a more moderate language!

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 10 Nov 2022 15:12

VanillaNuns wrote:
10 Nov 2022 09:35

I can't see how this can go on indefinitely from the perspective of both sides. Something has to give soon.

The difference is, Putin probably doesn't care about his losses. Whereas, Zelensky and his Western backers don't have that luxury. At what point do you start to think about a negotiated peace?
Recent Gallup poll in Ukraine

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https://www.voanews.com/a/poll-shows-uk ... 96951.html

The Western backers support Ukraines decision

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 10 Nov 2022 15:47

The intensifying Ruffian criminal drone etc. attacks apparently only strengthened the resolve of Ukrainians:
https://www-kiis-com-ua.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp
86% of respondents said that the armed struggle should still continue, even if the shelling continues. In particular, among them, 71% completely agree with this opinion (the remaining 16% rather agree).
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 10 Nov 2022 17:24

Improving the combat training skills of those mobilized from Chelyabinsk

https://rutube.ru/video/d757d4c8eaded23 ... 2596121b2/

"Staffed and ready to perform tasks: the mobilized servicemen of the Stavropol Territory have completed combat training.

At the training ground of the Training Center of the Southern Military District, the mobilized servicemen completed combat training activities, and also received all-season sets of field uniforms, body armor, helmets, tactical glasses and other means of protection.

After receiving the property, the servicemen conducted a drill review and went to the rear area of the SVO to conduct combat coordination exercises"

https://rutube.ru/video/9de92797f37e372 ... 51fff54cc/

The other videos released show a mixture of young and middle aged reservists.

It appears that the process is first they are drafted, then they conduct training in their districts. Afterwards they are sent to training camps in Ukraine for further training.

A possibility? is that the units they are sent to are related to their home districts.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 10 Nov 2022 18:03

The training videos so far show the reservists conducting fairly rudimentary individual and squad training at their districts and in Ukraine.

Meanwhile the professional US Airborne units are conducting much more sophisticated maneuvers:


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 10 Nov 2022 21:29

41 settlements in Kherson and Mykolaiv oblasts liberated today so far



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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 11 Nov 2022 00:33

In the Leningrad region, the dispatch of mobilized citizens took place

"The regiment is 100% ready: in the Leningrad region, mobilized citizens were sent to the areas of combat coordination

🚉 For the next stage of combat coordination, the servicemen went by rail.

◽️ Before departure, a drill review was held, at which the commanders checked the availability of the proper equipment and weapons.

🪖 In the course of training sessions with military personnel, a course of combat training in their military registration specialties and combat coordination in the composition of their units were organized.

📡 Military personnel received practice not only in previously mastered military specialties, but also acquired new skills: reconnaissance and correction of artillery fire using unmanned aerial vehicles"

https://rutube.ru/video/4186765b799745d ... 85b79ea09/

An entire regiment assembled- all either young or middle aged men.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 11 Nov 2022 05:15

VanillaNuns wrote:
10 Nov 2022 09:35
Casualty figure estimates from the US Joint Chiefs of Staff:

100,000 x Russian soldiers dead or wounded

100,000 x Ukrainian soldiers dead or wounded

40,000 x Ukrainian civilians dead


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63580372


I can't see how this can go on indefinitely from the perspective of both sides. Something has to give soon.

The difference is, Putin probably doesn't care about his losses. Whereas, Zelensky and his Western backers don't have that luxury. At what point do you start to think about a negotiated peace?

With 140,000 dead, the economy in ruins, cities and towns reduced to rubble and a hard and cold winter approaching. Which the Russians will use to unleash further terror attacks on the civilian population.

Elon Musk's peace plan is a pretty good outcome for both sides. The politicians just don't want to admit it.
Casualties largely means Killed + Wounded. The typical conventional warfare K:W ratio for the last century is 1:4. Therefore, 100000 casualties = 20K dead, 80K wounded. of the wounded, 20K will come back immediately, 20K are done as soldiers, and the rest return over 2 months.

This war can be over tomorrow. All that has to happen is for Putin to pull back. Easy, right ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by mezsat2 » 11 Nov 2022 11:29

Tom Peters wrote:
11 Nov 2022 05:15
VanillaNuns wrote:
10 Nov 2022 09:35
Casualty figure estimates from the US Joint Chiefs of Staff:

100,000 x Russian soldiers dead or wounded

100,000 x Ukrainian soldiers dead or wounded

40,000 x Ukrainian civilians dead


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63580372


I can't see how this can go on indefinitely from the perspective of both sides. Something has to give soon.

The difference is, Putin probably doesn't care about his losses. Whereas, Zelensky and his Western backers don't have that luxury. At what point do you start to think about a negotiated peace?

With 140,000 dead, the economy in ruins, cities and towns reduced to rubble and a hard and cold winter approaching. Which the Russians will use to unleash further terror attacks on the civilian population.

Elon Musk's peace plan is a pretty good outcome for both sides. The politicians just don't want to admit it.
Casualties largely means Killed + Wounded. The typical conventional warfare K:W ratio for the last century is 1:4. Therefore, 100000 casualties = 20K dead, 80K wounded. of the wounded, 20K will come back immediately, 20K are done as soldiers, and the rest return over 2 months.

This war can be over tomorrow. All that has to happen is for Putin to pull back. Easy, right ?

Mad Dog
It should be. How will Putin present it to the "hardliners", though? "Strategic withdrawal" and that's all
he has to say, IMHO.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 11 Nov 2022 13:37

Cult Icon wrote:
10 Nov 2022 13:31

This figure you post is actually one of the more realistic ones but the Ukrainian number is far too low.
Sure, if you listen to the RU MOD, every UKR soldier is dead or wounded twice over. The reality is quite different.

Undoubtedly, the RU casualties are worse than the UKR one. We know this because:

- RU just conscripted 300,000 new soldiers (UKR cancelled the last conscription drive)
- RU is recruiting from prisons
- RU is hiring back people well out of normal age groups
- DPR admits to 70% losses of their original forces

We can argue all day until we get actual information after the conflict, but the RU actions above are not in question.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 11 Nov 2022 13:44

Cult Icon wrote:
11 Nov 2022 00:33
In the Leningrad region, the dispatch of mobilized citizens took place

"The regiment is 100% ready: in the Leningrad region, mobilized citizens were sent to the areas of combat coordination

🚉 For the next stage of combat coordination, the servicemen went by rail.

◽️ Before departure, a drill review was held, at which the commanders checked the availability of the proper equipment and weapons.

🪖 In the course of training sessions with military personnel, a course of combat training in their military registration specialties and combat coordination in the composition of their units were organized.

📡 Military personnel received practice not only in previously mastered military specialties, but also acquired new skills: reconnaissance and correction of artillery fire using unmanned aerial vehicles"

https://rutube.ru/video/4186765b799745d ... 85b79ea09/

An entire regiment assembled- all either young or middle aged men.
More virtually untrained sheep being led to the killing fields. At these ones have non-rusty guns. They must of coordinated together to ensure that the uniforms they bought all matched.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 11 Nov 2022 13:56

Well, it looks like the RU withdrawl from Kherson is nearly complete. Oddly enough this is a win for both side. UKR got back Kherson with minimal casualties, completing a successful campaign. RU actually did something that made military sense, and ran away in good time (unlike Izyum).

With this, UKR has secured an inner bastion that the RU are likely never to gain - the Dnepr is too much of a barrier.

Now it appears that the will of west to support UKR will be tested against the ability of the RU to keep their economy afloat. Oh joy, Putin will keep hammering the global economy.

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