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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 19 Nov 2022 18:17

No signs of manpower shortage in Russia:
The Kremlin is sending citizens of African countries imprisoned in Russia to fight in the war in Ukraine, Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleh Nikolenko said in Kyiv. Earlier, Reuters reported that Lemekhani Nathan Nyirenda, a Zambian national who was serving a prison sentence in Moscow, had died in the war.

The spokesman called on the African Union and all African countries to demand that Russia stop forcing their citizens to take part in the fighting. “Africans should not die in the name of Putin’s sick imperial ambitions,” he added.

Zambia seeks explanation after national conscripted by Russia and sent to Ukraine.

Zambia's government has asked Russia how its citizen serving jail time in Moscow was recruited to fight in Ukraine, where he was killed, Zambia's FM Stanley Kakubo said, Reuters reports.
15.11.2022, https://tvpworld.com/64531878/kremlin-s ... in-ukraine

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 19 Nov 2022 19:22

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19 Nov 2022 13:38
Like in the Iraq war, PMCs have been a growth industry. Wagner is not satisfied with its great expansion in this war, they are moving forward and trying to become mainstream. They have become so brazen that they opened a Wagner center in St. Petersburg. Previously I posted the RT Wagner special. The Russian government is even promoting them on TV. In Syria Wagner was much more secretive.
Yes, and since Wagner's ranks are filled with criminals and psychopaths they'll never be short of recruits

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Yuri » 19 Nov 2022 20:19

Gooner1 wrote:
19 Nov 2022 19:22
Cult Icon wrote:
19 Nov 2022 13:38
Like in the Iraq war, PMCs have been a growth industry. Wagner is not satisfied with its great expansion in this war, they are moving forward and trying to become mainstream. They have become so brazen that they opened a Wagner center in St. Petersburg. Previously I posted the RT Wagner special. The Russian government is even promoting them on TV. In Syria Wagner was much more secretive.
Yes, and since Wagner's ranks are filled with criminals and psychopaths they'll never be short of recruits
In fact, there are not many prisoners in the composition of the PMCs Wagner, since they must agree with all the requirements that this PMCS exposes.
Here are some of the mandatory requirements for those prisoners who voluntarily join the Wagner PMCs to participate in hostilities in the territory where a special military operation is being carried out to denazify, demilitarize Ukraine and liberate the territory of Donbass (that is, these are the territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics) and now parts of the territories occupied by the Ukrainian Armed Forces Kherson and Zaporozhye regions of the Russian Federation.

1. The duration of stay in the zone of a special military operation is six months.
2. After arriving in the operation zone, there is no way back (it is impossible to return to prison), that is, or to the grave or in six months amnesty and release. If, after arriving in the zone of a military operation, a former prisoner refuses to participate in hostilities, then death.
3. a)For the use of alcoholic beverages (vodka, wine) in the zone of a special military operation - death.
3. b) For the use of any drugs in the area of a special military operation - death.
4. a)For sexual contact with women in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. b) For sexual contact with men in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. c) For sex with animals in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. d) For sex with other fauna and/or flora in the area of a special military operation - death.
5. a) For marauding in the zone of conducting a special military operation - death.
5. b) For theft and/or robbery in the area of a special military operation - death.
6. For surrender under any circumstances - death.

Thus, if a character with psychopathic tendencies gets into the zone of a special military operation, then he will not have time to show these psychopathic tendencies to the fullest, since an attempt to realize such properties will lead to death, and almost instantly.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 19 Nov 2022 21:57

Yuri wrote:
19 Nov 2022 20:19


Here are some of the mandatory requirements for those prisoners who voluntarily join the Wagner PMCs

1. The duration of stay in the zone of a special military operation is six months.
2. After arriving in the operation zone, there is no way back (it is impossible to return to prison), that is, or to the grave or in six months amnesty and release. If, after arriving in the zone of a military operation, a former prisoner refuses to participate in hostilities, then death.
3. a)For the use of alcoholic beverages (vodka, wine) in the zone of a special military operation - death.
3. b) For the use of any drugs in the area of a special military operation - death.
4. a)For sexual contact with women in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. b) For sexual contact with men in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. c) For sex with animals in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. d) For sex with other fauna and/or flora in the area of a special military operation - death.
5. a) For marauding in the zone of conducting a special military operation - death.
5. b) For theft and/or robbery in the area of a special military operation - death.
6. For surrender under any circumstances - death.

Thus, if a character with psychopathic tendencies gets into the zone of a special military operation, then he will not have time to show these psychopathic tendencies to the fullest, since an attempt to realize such properties will lead to death, and almost instantly.

Actually those 'requirements' seem not only written for psychopaths but by psychopaths

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by wm » 19 Nov 2022 22:05

Although there is no death penalty in Russia.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 19 Nov 2022 22:12

Yuri wrote:
19 Nov 2022 20:19
In fact, there are not many prisoners in the composition of the PMCs Wagner, since they must agree with all the requirements that this PMCS exposes.
Here are some of the mandatory requirements for those prisoners who voluntarily join the Wagner PMCs to participate in hostilities in the territory where a special military operation is being carried out to denazify, demilitarize Ukraine and liberate the territory of Donbass (that is, these are the territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics) and now parts of the territories occupied by the Ukrainian Armed Forces Kherson and Zaporozhye regions of the Russian Federation.

1. The duration of stay in the zone of a special military operation is six months.
2. After arriving in the operation zone, there is no way back (it is impossible to return to prison), that is, or to the grave or in six months amnesty and release. If, after arriving in the zone of a military operation, a former prisoner refuses to participate in hostilities, then death.
3. a)For the use of alcoholic beverages (vodka, wine) in the zone of a special military operation - death.
3. b) For the use of any drugs in the area of a special military operation - death.
4. a)For sexual contact with women in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. b) For sexual contact with men in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. c) For sex with animals in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. d) For sex with other fauna and/or flora in the area of a special military operation - death.
5. a) For marauding in the zone of conducting a special military operation - death.
5. b) For theft and/or robbery in the area of a special military operation - death.
6. For surrender under any circumstances - death.

Thus, if a character with psychopathic tendencies gets into the zone of a special military operation, then he will not have time to show these psychopathic tendencies to the fullest, since an attempt to realize such properties will lead to death, and almost instantly.
Looting and raping being punished would mark a significant improvement over the Ruffian army practice. However since apparently murdering and torturing are allowed also to Wanker Group convict recruits the psychopathic needs among them are not totally ignored.

BTW since there is a moratorium on capital punishment in Russia, who has given Wanker Group the authority to excecute excecutions?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 19 Nov 2022 22:41

Wagner PMC was a mercenary Spetnaz unit, composed of several motorized rifle brigades.

Probably with some ex-cons in the ranks like the French Foreign Legion. But it had a lot of former Russian army members too (Spetsnaz, VDV, etc.)

It was used like the Chechen units as a shock troop/urban warfare troop in the spring/summer which raised its standing due to its successes at Popasna, Rubizne etc. At one point it took most of Bahkmut but were pushed out by a counterattack.

However given the situation in the Donbass it is likely that the PMC has significant attrition/decline in skilled personnel, so it started recruiting from prisoners. Ukrainian formations merely have to tap into their infinite conscript pool, up to age 65.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 19 Nov 2022 23:10

Cult Icon wrote:
19 Nov 2022 22:41
However given the situation in the Donbass it is likely that the PMC has significant attrition/decline in skilled personnel, so it started recruiting from prisoners. Ukrainian formations merely have to tap into their infinite conscript pool, up to age 65.
Where do you get that upper age limit from?
Ukraine is under martial law and general mobilization. Accordingly, men aged 18 to 60 years can be mobilized.
https://fakty.com.ua/en/ukraine/suspils ... -eksperta/

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Yuri » 19 Nov 2022 23:32

Gooner1 wrote:
19 Nov 2022 21:57
Yuri wrote:
19 Nov 2022 20:19


Here are some of the mandatory requirements for those prisoners who voluntarily join the Wagner PMCs

1. The duration of stay in the zone of a special military operation is six months.
2. After arriving in the operation zone, there is no way back (it is impossible to return to prison), that is, or to the grave or in six months amnesty and release. If, after arriving in the zone of a military operation, a former prisoner refuses to participate in hostilities, then death.
3. a)For the use of alcoholic beverages (vodka, wine) in the zone of a special military operation - death.
3. b) For the use of any drugs in the area of a special military operation - death.
4. a)For sexual contact with women in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. b) For sexual contact with men in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. c) For sex with animals in the zone of a special military operation - death.
4. d) For sex with other fauna and/or flora in the area of a special military operation - death.
5. a) For marauding in the zone of conducting a special military operation - death.
5. b) For theft and/or robbery in the area of a special military operation - death.
6. For surrender under any circumstances - death.

Thus, if a character with psychopathic tendencies gets into the zone of a special military operation, then he will not have time to show these psychopathic tendencies to the fullest, since an attempt to realize such properties will lead to death, and almost instantly.

Actually those 'requirements' seem not only written for psychopaths but by psychopaths
I am not familiar with the sponsor of the Wagner PMCs, that is, with Mr. Prigozhin, and therefore I cannot say anything definite about his psychopathic tendencies. Thus, You may be right, that is, it is possible that these rules were written by a psychopath. However, it is possible that You are wrong, and these rules were written, as they say in Russia, by a realist to the core.
However, what You are absolutely wrong about is that the rules are written for psychopaths. Those whose brains are not 100% saturated with diarrhea, which Western propaganda spews on the head of the Western man in the street, cannot fail to understand that the rules are written in order to:
a) minimize the likelihood of persons with perverted psychopathic inclinations entering the zone of a special military operation;
b) in case of penetration of persons with perverted psychopathic tendencies into the zone of a special military operation, eliminate them without lengthy legal procedures.

I can add with what has been said.
The punishment (and, to put it bluntly, the elimination) of violators of the rules given earlier for those entering the Wagner PMCs clearly demonstrated so that no one has any doubt that these rules do not apply.

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By the way, You gave my quote in a cropped form, but did not indicate it in the appropriate way.
I have to point out to You that this is wrong.
I hope that in the future You will not repeat such mistakes.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 19 Nov 2022 23:46

Open sources:

The Russian MOD claims that the concentration of Russian units west of the Dnipro was 30,000 men strong. Various claims (Ukrainian) put the group at 30,000-20,000 men. They are currently unaccounted for and will be redeployed elsewhere.

OOB:

Combat elements from:

7th Airborne Division
76th Airborne Division
11th Airborne Brigade
83rd Airborne Brigade
810th Naval Infantry Brigade

7th Military Base
82th Motor rifle battalion or brigade?
126th Coastal Defense Brigade
205th Motor-rifle Brigade
20th Motor-rifle Division
90th Tank Division

Ukrainian military and soldier claims at Kherson also say that this grouping had been reinforced with reservists.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 20 Nov 2022 01:50

Yuri wrote:
19 Nov 2022 23:32
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I am not familiar with the sponsor of the Wagner PMCs, that is, with Mr. Prigozhin, and therefore I cannot say anything definite about his psychopathic tendencies. Thus, You may be right, that is, it is possible that these rules were written by a psychopath. However, it is possible that You are wrong, and these rules were written, as they say in Russia, by a realist to the core.
Primitive and brutal, realistic rules for putins degenerate Russia.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Gooner1 wrote:
20 Nov 2022 01:50
Yuri wrote:
19 Nov 2022 23:32
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I am not familiar with the sponsor of the Wagner PMCs, that is, with Mr. Prigozhin, and therefore I cannot say anything definite about his psychopathic tendencies. Thus, You may be right, that is, it is possible that these rules were written by a psychopath. However, it is possible that You are wrong, and these rules were written, as they say in Russia, by a realist to the core.
Primitive and brutal, realistic rules for putins degenerate Russia.
I am a materialist and, as a materialist, I believe that we sinners do not know the final version of the future. It - that is, the future - is multivariate. Whether "degenerate Russia" will happen in the future, or, on the contrary, in the future it - that is, Russia - will be reborn as a Phoenix bird (which, by the way, has happened repeatedly in the long history of Russia), we sinners also do not know.
It follows from your words that today primitive and cruel, realistic rules are only degenerating Russia.
On the other hand, today We know what the ornate and soft, unrealistic rules of the English monarchy turned the once Great Colonial British Empire into - over which the Sun never set not so long ago.
And these not "primitive" and not "brutal", not "realistic" rules turned the once Great Britain into pathetic scraps.
And as we well know, this process of degradation continues to grow rapidly and cannot be stopped.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 20 Nov 2022 05:02

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ovember-19
Russian forces are reportedly beginning to reinforce their positions in occupied Luhansk, Donetsk, and eastern Zaporizhia oblasts with personnel from Kherson Oblast and mobilized servicemen. The Ukrainian General Staff reported an increase in Russian military personnel in Luhansk City and noted that Russian forces are housing servicemen in abandoned homes in Krasne and Simeikyne about 30km southeast of Luhansk City.[1] Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai stated that Russian forces are transferring the remnants of the Russian airborne units from right (west) bank Kherson Oblast to Luhansk Oblast.[2] Luhansk Oblast Military Administration added that a part of redeploying Russian troops is arriving in Novoaidar, approximately 55km east of Severodonetsk.[3] Advisor to Mariupol Mayor Petro Andryushenko also noted the arrival of redeployed personnel and military equipment to Mariupol, stating that Russian forces are placing 10,000 to 15,000 servicemen in the Mariupol Raion.[4] Andryushenko stated that newly mobilized men are deploying to the presumably western Donetsk Oblast frontline via Mariupol. Russian forces are reportedly attempting to disperse forces by deploying some elements in the Hulyaipole direction in eastern Zaporizhia Oblast.[5] Russia will also likely commit additional mobilized forces in the coming weeks, given that mobilized units of the Russian 2nd Motorized Rifle Division of the 1st Tank Army have finished their training in Brest Oblast, Belarus.[6] Russian forces will likely continue to use mobilized and redeployed servicemen to reignite offensive operations in Donetsk Oblast and maintain defensive positions in Luhansk Oblast.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 20 Nov 2022 07:51

If they commit 2nd GMRD, it may be as an actual division with reservists instead of a couple of BTGs.

2 rifle regiments, tank regiment, self-propelled artillery regiment, recon battalion, Air defense regiment, engineer battalion, logistics battalion, communications battalion.

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