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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Hikari » 23 Mar 2023 11:51

To be honest, we Chinese don't take the official news at all seriously anymore.
In fact you can see it opposite.
China's policy is purely pro-Russian, but with very limited real help.
The hypocrisy at the top of the CCP is disgusting, but they will pretend to be neutral to the country - I'm not quite sure how the CCP's mouthpiece media propagandises to the outside world, but they have long been notorious within China.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by ljadw » 23 Mar 2023 12:03

Tom Peters wrote:
23 Mar 2023 01:25
ljadw wrote:
22 Mar 2023 15:37
wm wrote:
22 Mar 2023 11:45
From Hibernation to Humiliation? Russia Brings T-54 Tanks Out of Retirement 
The CIT team has obtained photographs of a train transporting military vehicles from Russia’s Far East.
We identified the vehicles as Soviet-era T-54/55 series tanks: T-54s as well as tanks which may be either late T-54 or T-55 tanks were both on that train.
A train transporting T 54/55 tanks from the Far East is not a proof that these tanks were going to Ukraine .
And last year Slovakia announced that it would give Ukraine 28 T54 tanks .Is this a humiliation for Ukraine ?
Im sure the RU command, in a time of war and scarcity, has somehow decided to refit and send T-54 tanks west for a reason entirely unrelated to the war.

The informed reader will no doubt see the sarcasm in that last sentence.

And yes, UKR having the necessity of receiving the M-55S is something of a humiliation. However, this is mitigated somewhat by several important points:
1) UKR is not a world power, and is barely even a local power,
2) UKR has no choice in matter as their domestic tank production is virtually nil,
3) UKR did not invade RU
4) The M-55S is far superior to the T-54/55 and likely a match for the T-62 (yes, not exactly a front line unit)

RU started this war, and invaded in a manner that we can we can see was totally unprepared. RU is now so desperate for heavy weapons they are refurbishing T-54/55, just like I predicted last year.

How can anyone not come to the conclusion that RU is experiencing a severe tank shortage, or at least a shortage related to tanks (ammo availability, spare parts, etc) that directly impacts tank usage.

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1 Russian tanks are sent to European Russia,there is no proof that they are going to Ukraine .
2 Russia also is not a world power
3 The M-55 S is an other name for the vintage Soviet T-55 and can thus not be superior to the Russian T-55
4 If he is superior, that-s totally irrelevant,as the 28 Ukrainian T-55 ( 28 minus losses ) will not fight against the Russian T-55 :the length of the front is more than 1000 km ,thus ..
5 If they fight against each other,the result will be negligible,as the war in Ukraine will not be decided by tanks .Last year the Russians attacked with 2000 tanks while Ukraine had only few operational tanks and ...Russia failed, not Ukraine .
Besides only a small minority of Russian tank losses were caused by Ukrainian tanks .
6 Russia was not totally unprepared or even unprepared : more manpower and more tanks would not have given Russia more chances to win ,as the outcome of the war depended on the Ukrainians .
You continue to hide,deny,throw under the bus,underestimate 2 facts
1 The Ukrainian war is not the Blitzkrieg of 1940 ( if he existed )
2 The outcome of the war will be decided not by military but by civilians :by a political decision .
Thus,if,when Leos and Abrams will be used ,the influence of this will be less than marginal .
The hurrah because Russian tanks were going west of the Ural is only wishful-thinking .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 23 Mar 2023 14:39

The Russian project to convert their peacetime army to a large-scale warfare army with divisions is slated for a 2026 completion date.

According to the Ukrainian military over the past year they have converted 3 units into divisions and deployed them in Ukraine in positional warfare on the Svatove-Kreminna front:

3rd Motor-rifle division
144th Motor-rifle division

2nd Motor-rifle division has been in the rear for months.

These divisions are meant to defend Russia against NATO and perform decisive operations in Ukraine.

But before this project is completed, the war may be over with a peace deal through China as the Ukrainian army is worn down past the point of return in a few months. So Russia wouldn't need to use thousands of tanks and divisions at all. If there is no peace deal over the longer term there will be a ground offensive with many divisions.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 23 Mar 2023 15:13

Prigozhin in a recent statement:

AFU trained about 200,000 personnel and received a large number of NATO equipment for a counterattack near Bakhmut

They concentrated a group of more than 80,000 soldiers around Bakhmut with 280 tanks

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3528349
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Yuri » 23 Mar 2023 15:42

Uncle John wrote:
23 Mar 2023 08:43
Heh, the Russkies didn't know they were being watched.....about a dozen killed with a himars missile......well done!

https://youtu.be/YYHHmbFnZGE

Screenshots from YouTube (3:47)

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Several shots of the defeat of the M777 howitzer drone.
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/10415744405373827839
Hoohray-patriot will say that three howitzers were hit. However, I would put one case in doubt, perhaps this is a mock-up of the gun, since it did not work at the time of the defeat. Maybe it's just a mockup (a false goal).


In this video, there are several cases of the defeat of the AFU infantry group by accurate shots.
https://vk.com/milinfolive?z=video-1235 ... -123538639
However, the quality of the image will not allow us to accurately determine whether it was really people or it was one shepherd and a flock of sheep with human models on their backs.
Your case is similar.
This is the first.
Secondly, firing at infantry using oriental rounds is too expensive.
You need to spend time on:
a) transmitting coordinates,
b) introducing coordinates into ammunition management,
c) firing a shot,
d) projectile flight to the target.
The normal speed of human movement is about 1-1.5 meters per second. If we assume that only 30 seconds will be spent on all this, then during this time a person will move from the starting point by 15-20 meters, and if a person goes at an accelerated pace, then by 30-50 meters. This is the first.
Secondly.
Firing high-precision HIMARS ammunition at a moving small group of infantry is like firing a cannon at sparrows.
Soon, the APU will have fewer shells for HIMARS than the HIMARS installations themselves.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 23 Mar 2023 17:05



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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by ljadw » 23 Mar 2023 17:35

Loïc wrote:
22 Mar 2023 21:28
an other new for our active fellow member from Belgic Gaul
Despite no official decision has been announced to send French fighters bombers to Ukraine, Le Figaro reveals this evening that the Armée de l'Air is training 30 Ukrainian pilots on Mirage 2000 in 2 airbases (BA 118 Mont-de-Marsan & 133 Nancy-Ochey)

https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/l ... e-20230322
I expected better
1 Why only 30 Ukrainian pilots ?
2 When will the training be finished ?
3 What about the training of Ukrainian technicians for these Mirages ?
4 When will the ammunition, spare parts and fuel for these Mirages be ready ?
5 What will be the impact of 30 operational Mirages on a front with a length of more than 1000 km ? How old are these aircraft ? Some 40 years ?
6 The today impact of the training of 30 Ukrainian is that there are 30 pilots less available at the front .If their presence in Ukraine is important, why have they left Ukraine?If their presence is not important, their return to Ukraine will also not be important .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 23 Mar 2023 23:07

President Zelensky turns up at a petrol station not far from Bakhmut.



Nice contrast to the heavily choreographed and heavily faked videos with Putin's double in Mariupol.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 23 Mar 2023 23:17

PMC Wagner IFV with "1%", alluding that men of Putin's favorite biker gangs have volunteered.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Hikari » 23 Mar 2023 23:59

The so-called China will mediate the Russo-Ukrainian war is nonsense, you don't even need to seriously consider this.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by David Thompson » 24 Mar 2023 01:27

Hikari -- You wrote:
The so-called China will mediate the Russo-Ukrainian war is nonsense, you don't even need to seriously consider this.
Why not?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by David Thompson » 24 Mar 2023 01:29

Hikari -- You wrote:
The so-called China will mediate the Russo-Ukrainian war is nonsense, you don't even need to seriously consider this.
Why not? The whole conflict isn't exactly rational.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 24 Mar 2023 04:05

Hikari wrote:
23 Mar 2023 11:45
Ha, I'm back with some "neutral country" perspectives.
Chinese domestic propaganda is still in full swing attacking US and European aid to Ukraine - arguing that it does not help peace and only affects the "peace talks".
This is simply bullshit.
After the meeting between Putin and Xi Jinping, I think it's worth watching for further developments in Chinese arms exports.
Honestly, it's really painful to live here, unlike Europe or the US where you have the possibility to hate some of the government's decisions and have the means to actually oppose them. here I hate everything they do every day but there is little I can do about it, I see I'm becoming some kind of "German citizen bystander in 1933".
I suspect the CH government is looking ahead to an invasion of Taiwan and considering the possible responses. If the west stays focused on supporting UKR, this adds uncertainty to an invasion of Taiwan.

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