Never a bad idea, but the 2 sides are so far apart on their goals, not much can happen.
Mad Dog
Never a bad idea, but the 2 sides are so far apart on their goals, not much can happen.
The Russian goals can not be realized, and the Ukrainian goals can not be realized either. The escalation of the conflict is not in the best interest of any participants on the continent. This is one of the ways how wars end.Tom Peters wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023 03:44Never a bad idea, but the 2 sides are so far apart on their goals, not much can happen.
Mad Dog
Well he isn't a supporter of Ukraine, which makes him a de facto supporter of Russia, hence all the yadda yadda about Ukraine supporters being cold war warriors who want nuclear war, the dismemberment of poor ickle Russia and all the rest of it.Tom Peters wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023 03:42Wow, that sarcasm came shining through loud and clear. No problems with the volume dial.
I dont know you, and I dont know "sid".
I dont know your thoughts on the subject either. Thats not much of an exchange.
Mad Dog
Soviet losses are irrelevant here. It was a regular army, and its soldiers didn't have any choice but to die for the regime.
You mean these Cold War warriors ?
No they are not.
Poland did at the end of WW2. Germany also gave up territory. Are you saying Ukraine is somehow a special case and that she will never cede an inch ?
wm wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023 16:20Poland and Germany were forced at gunpoint; it wasn't their decision.
Territories lost to an aggressor could be recovered at some point in time - in ten or even a hundred years.
But ceded territories are gone forever.
So even from a political point of view, it's unreasonable to accept territorial losses.
Putin is managing to destroy Russia's reputation, military and economy almost by himself amidst all his war crimes. Yet to see one word of criticism of him from you.
Oh, there we go, clap-clap, classic Kremlin Troll theme, though one we haven't seen much of in a while - somebody else, presumably evil Westerners, are forcing the poor Ukrainians to fight for their land and freedom.it is also a perfect example of the 'fight to the last Ukrainian' mindset of the Cold War Warrior.
I said this earlier:
And your contributions in these thread show that you are very firmly in category number no 2 :Michael Kenny wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023 05:50
There are two types of posters in these threads.
1. Those who report the facts on the ground. Sometimes there are Russian setbacks and sometimes Ukrainian setbacks. Future strategy is discussed including an expected (even by The Ukrainians) Russian spring offensive.
2. Those who are actively supporting Ukraine and vigorously deny/dispute every report about a Ukrainian setback. They shout-down and slander anyone who does not 150% support Ukraine as a Russian troll. They eschew fact and instead post mainly their dreams of a total Russian collapse and a Ukrainian victory.
That's the spirit, 'the best defence is a good offence'. Attack others in an attempt to portray yourself as a moderate whilst you slyly profer and insinuate the standard Kremlin Troll themes.Michael Kenny wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023 17:43
And your contributions in these thread show that you are very firmly in category number no 2 :
' Those who are actively supporting Ukraine and vigorously deny/dispute every report about a Ukrainian setback. They shout-down and slander anyone who does not 150% support Ukraine as a Russian troll.'
Yes, but the problem is Russia is alone and too weak for that. Even China isn't supporting Russia in this.Michael Kenny wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023 16:42''the point is the Ukrainians aren't surrender monkeys, and they have a great tradition of not being surrender monkeys (starting from that guy Khmelnytsky), so they aren't going to accept territorial loses-unless the Russian force them at gunpoint.''