Where are all of Russia's much touted advanced weapons?

[LineDoggie]

Nobody says anything about ww3 with Stalin.

No one mentioned WW3 except yourself. The USA was hardly going to declare war on the USSR in the middle of WW2 when it already had on its plate fighting and defeating German, Italy and Japan.

FDR could have refused to support Stalinist Russia; he could have disengaged from the war with Germany, especially in 1942 - leaving Stalin alone with Hitler.
Or at least not collaborate with Stalin in the rape of East European countries.

Riiiight, and be accused of siding with Hitler by the press, public, CPUSA, and every LW organization on the planet. For someone who espouses reality that isnt it.

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Or at least not collaborate with Stalin in the rape of East European countries.

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William Bullitt for Life Magazine, August 1948

[Tom Peters]

It can practically drag on forever. And during all these years, the EU will be weaker, Russia will be weaker, and Ukraine will be devastated. Thus, again, isn't it time for peace talks?

Never a bad idea, but the 2 sides are so far apart on their goals, not much can happen.

Mad Dog

The Russian goals can not be realized, and the Ukrainian goals can not be realized either. The escalation of the conflict is not in the best interest of any participants on the continent. This is one of the ways how wars end.

I think UKR claims on Crimea have to be given up. Its not realistic at this time to think they can take it back. If you throw that on the table, there might be room to get RU to go back to its pre-war borders. Maybe.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

You mean these Cold War warriors ?

Putin is managing to destroy Russia's reputation, military and economy almost by himself amidst all his war crimes. Yet to see one word of criticism of him from you.

it is also a perfect example of the 'fight to the last Ukrainian' mindset of the Cold War Warrior.

Oh, there we go, clap-clap, classic Kremlin Troll theme, though one we haven't seen much of in a while - somebody else, presumably evil Westerners, are forcing the poor Ukrainians to fight for their land and freedom.

The UKR are fighting to defend their country because they want to. If Z had fled on day 3 , RU would of likely walked in according to plan. But that didnt happen, and Putin refuses to believe that he is stuck in this mess. Giving weapons to retard RU expansionism isnt a cold war leftover, its the cold logic of global politics, as RU is a competitor. RU got away with Crimea in 2014, and I dont see why Putin should be rewarded for further bad behavior.

Putin could end the war tomorrow, which Im sure we can all agree on would be a good thing.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

There are two types of posters in these threads.
1. Those who report the facts on the ground. Sometimes there are Russian setbacks and sometimes Ukrainian setbacks. Future strategy is discussed including an expected (even by The Ukrainians) Russian spring offensive.
2. Those who are actively supporting Ukraine and vigorously deny/dispute every report about a Ukrainian setback. They shout-down and slander anyone who does not 150% support Ukraine as a Russian troll. They eschew fact and instead post mainly their dreams of a total Russian collapse and a Ukrainian victory.

What about the third category:

Those who are actively supporting Russia and vigorously deny/dispute every report about a Russian setback. They shout-down and slander anyone who does not 150% support Russia as a UKR troll. They eschew fact and instead post mainly their dreams of a total UKR collapse and a RU victory.

Now you could say no one is espousing that level of RU support in this forum, but there are certainty those who do in other forums.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

I must have missed that bit. What conflict with 'The West' did Russia start/force?

UKR was angling for admission into the EU and possibly NATO. Putin didnt want that.

Should we really reward RU expansionism ? Whats next, Transnistria (another bullshit RU propped separatist enclave) ? Then Moldova ?

Putin could of used soft power to sway UKR, but he chose the mailed-fist. So here we are.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

For that reason the Chinese won't die for Crimea.

You have let the cat out of the bag with your 'Crimea' reference. Clearly you (and all the other crazy cold war warriors in the thread) are looking for excuses to widen the conflict. You are all crazy and I suggest you all take a bus to Ukraine and volunteer to fight the Russians yourself before you try and drag others in to act out your fantasy.

Didnt RU start this conflict by stealing Crimea in 2014 ? Then propping up separatist regimes in the DPR and LPR ?

Mad Dog

[Michael Kenny]

What about the third category:

Those who are actively supporting Russia and vigorously deny/dispute every report about a Russian setback. They shout-down and slander anyone who does not 150% support Russia as a UKR troll. They eschew fact and instead post mainly their dreams of a total UKR collapse and a RU victory.

I had the perfect answer to the above but why don't I let you say it

Now you could say no one is espousing that level of RU support in this forum, but there are certainty those who do in other forums.

Then post your complaints in those forums.

On AHF the majority of posters (on the current war)are violently anti-Russia. A number of posters border on the insane. The threads are useless as information threads because the partisan posters are cluttering it up by posting what the WANT to happen as if it was definitely going to happen. Its turned into a Luftwaffe 1946 type of situation. If only they can hold out another few months then the Uber panzers, advanced rockets and jet fighters will arrive and save the day.

[Aida1]

What about the third category:

Those who are actively supporting Russia and vigorously deny/dispute every report about a Russian setback. They shout-down and slander anyone who does not 150% support Russia as a UKR troll. They eschew fact and instead post mainly their dreams of a total UKR collapse and a RU victory.

I had the perfect answer to the above but why don't I let you say it

Now you could say no one is espousing that level of RU support in this forum, but there are certainty those who do in other forums.

Then post your complaints in those forums.

On AHF the majority of posters (on the current war)are violently anti-Russia. A number of posters border on the insane. The threads are useless as information threads because the partisan posters are cluttering it up by posting what the WANT to happen as if it was definitely going to happen. Its turned into a Luftwaffe 1946 type of situation. If only they can hold out another few months then the Uber panzers, advanced rockets and jet fighters will arrive and save the day.

You are living in prorussian fantasyland. Western weapons are already doing a good job of helping the Ukraine and more will come. That irritates you because you cannot bear Putin to lose.

[Aida1]

China has abandoned Russia already.

No they have not. Anyone who thinks that is true is either deaf dumb and blind or bat-shit crazy.

You can dreram on about evil china rescuing your friend Putin.

[Gooner1]

Its turned into a Luftwaffe 1946 type of situation. If only they can hold out another few months then the Uber panzers, advanced rockets and jet fighters will arrive and save the day.

Betraying your Kremlin leanings again Comrade. Good Putin Trolls usually try much harder to conceal their support for Russia's war.

The supply of Western weapons to Ukraine is analogous to the supply of Lend-Lease to Britain from the US and to the Soviet Union from Britain and the US from March 1941.

[Tom Peters]

Then post your complaints in those forums.

Its an observation, not a complaint.

On AHF the majority of posters (on the current war)are violently anti-Russia. A number of posters border on the insane. The threads are useless as information threads because the partisan posters are cluttering it up by posting what the WANT to happen as if it was definitely going to happen. Its turned into a Luftwaffe 1946 type of situation. If only they can hold out another few months then the Uber panzers, advanced rockets and jet fighters will arrive and save the day.

No one realistically thinks a handful of western tanks by themselves is going to turn the tide of war. What those tanks represent is far more important - The wests support will continue until RU cannot.

Do you have an issue with the west sending equipment ?

Mad Dog

[Gooner1]

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Ukraine’s Air Force commander, Lt. Gen. Mykola Oleschuk, says his forces downed a Russian Kinzhal hypersonic ballistic missile with a U.S. Patriot air-defense system. “Yes, we brought down the ‘unparalleled’ Kinzhal!…during the night attack on May 4 in the sky over Kyiv region.”
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[Empiricist]

1) Hypersonic missiles. As far as I can establish, Russia claimed to have used a couple of hypersonic missiles in the opening days of the war, but as they were used among a swarm of conventional cruise missiles, it is difficult to differentiate what damage they did. There don't seem to have been any reports of their use in months.

Putler's "hypersonic missiles" is a myth and primitive propaganda only for the Russian public opinion dumbfounded by totalitarian system. It has always been known that the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal is a quasi-hypersonic missile with only very short hypersonic flight path in its mission. The evidence came on May 4th, 2023, 0240hrs when Ukrainian-operated MIM-104 Patriot SAM system shot down Kinzhal in the Kyiv region.

Shooting down this Kh-47M2 by the Ukrainians is a disgrace of Putler's propaganda and total bankruptcy of all Russky troll farms and their representatives on this forum and in this thread.

[Empiricist]

For a couple of decades Russia has been devoting much of its budget in developing its military.

This includes evolving such advanced weaponry as hypersonic missiles, Su-57 aircraft, Armata tanks and Terminator infantry fighting vehicles. Yet none of them have made any discernible impact in Ukraine.

1) Hypersonic missiles. As far as I can establish, Russia claimed to have used a couple of hypersonic missiles in the opening days of the war, but as they were used among a swarm of conventional cruise missiles, it is difficult to differentiate what damage they did. There don't seem to have been any reports of their use in months.

2) Armata main battle tank. The Armata tank was meant to be in service about 5 years ago, but none are in unit service. Russia this week announced that the Armata is being sent to Ukraine in response to the donation of Western MBTs to that country. However, as full scale production is still apparently not under way, it is likely that these will be a small number of pre-production vehicles of questionable reliability as the development programme is not yet completed.

3) SU57 "5th generation" combat aircraft. There are reportedly only a couple of dozen of these and they, too, seem essentially to be pre-production machines. They were briefly experimentally used in Syria a few years ago, but this appears to have been essentially a propaganda exercise. None seem to have operated over Ukraine. India has cancelled its order for this aircraft.

4) Terminator urban combat vehicle. There are apparently only about a dozen of these, so again they look like a pre-production run. They were reportedly used with some media fanfare in Severodonetsk in May 2022 but we haven't heard anything of them since.

You need to add all the propaganda related to allegedly "state-of-the-art" Mi-28 and Ka-52 helicopters recorded by the Russkies under the slogan of "Нет аналогов в мире" ("No counterparts in the world"). Primitivism of these helos is pathetic. What they do over Ukraine? Nothing more than exactly the same Ukrainian obsolete helos. They only shoot with unguided S-8 rockets in the "spray and pray" mode like during V-nam War. This is shooting without aiming. The Russky pilots do not have the courage to fly over Ukraine in order to use anti-tank missiles against Ukrainian AFVs. They fight like in early 1970s.

Let's arm archaic Mi-2 or Mi-4 helos of late 1960s with unguided rockets and they will do the same job in "spray and pray" mode like Mi-28 and Ka-52.