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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by wm » 12 Dec 2023 14:36

I will give anyone who proves that "the Jews were barred from emigration to America by the FDR" a brand new Tesla Cybertruck.

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by Princess Perfume » 14 Dec 2023 08:44

wm wrote:
12 Dec 2023 03:20
The intention isn't to run a trial version of the Last Judgment here.
Simply, learning genuine history is fun, even if it's protected by layers of tabloidism, fake stories, name-calling, and propaganda.

As I've said, Israel is a legal state, and everything else is politically and legally unimportant.
But as Mr. Sharett said, it was born in sin. The sin can't be corrected even if they admit it the way the Germans, Russians, and Japanese did.
Even minorities in woke Spain and Britain are restless, so the large minority in the most nationalistic country on this planet will be, too, forever.
It was not born in sin - please don't parrot Arab and Islamic nationalism. You are better than that.

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by ljadw » 14 Dec 2023 11:24

wm wrote:
12 Dec 2023 14:36
I will give anyone who proves that "the Jews were barred from emigration to America by the FDR" a brand new Tesla Cybertruck.
Rafael Medoff is waiting for his Tesla .
He is the author of

The Jews should keep quiet .
Franklin D.Roosevelt,Rabbi Stephen S.Wise and the Holocaust
P XV
'' nearly two hundred thousand quota places were left unused,who could have been filled without new legislation or controversy . Why ? ''
P XVI ''why did Roosevelt send US representatives to Nazi rallies in New York City and in Germany ? ''

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by SloveneLiberal » 14 Dec 2023 19:57

[quote=wm post_id=2505148 time=1702324885 user_id=22401 The Arabs, warriors that regarded farming as demining, actually needed as many non-Arab subjects as possible. Not to mention the taxes they paid. A converted Christian was a fiscal loss.

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by SloveneLiberal » 14 Dec 2023 19:57

SloveneLiberal wrote:
14 Dec 2023 19:57
[quote=wm post_id=2505148 time=1702324885 user_id=22401 The Arabs, warriors that regarded farming as demining, actually needed as many non-Arab subjects as possible. Not to mention the taxes they paid. A converted Christian was a fiscal loss.
Not necessarily you can see from the case of jewish girl Sol Hachuel that even in 19. century Jews could be killed if they tried to return to jewish religion from islam. In Europe also you had at the same time the case of Edgardo Mortara in Italy in which even the pope of that time was involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Hachuel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortara_case

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by wm » 14 Dec 2023 23:27

SloveneLiberal wrote:
14 Dec 2023 19:57
Not necessarily you can see from the case of jewish girl Sol Hachuel that even in 19. century Jews could be killed if they tried to return to jewish religion from islam. In Europe also you had at the same time the case of Edgardo Mortara in Italy in which even the pope of that time was involved.

Apostasy is proscribed by all three major religions. And the source of that is the (Jewish) Torah, specifically the Book of Deuteronomy:
If there is found in your midst … a man or a woman who … has gone and served other gods … you shall stone them to death.

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by COmentator » 15 Dec 2023 03:00

Sol Hachuel did not convert--she was falsely accused of converting to islam and then becoming an apostate--apparently the word of an Arab outranks a jewish person.Sadly the Labor Zionist were too caught up in fantasy that Jews and Arabs can live together still holding on to this one track mindset--because they thinks that because Arabs are descended from Ishamel as Jews are descended from Ishmael half brother Isaac {Same father but different mothers (Sarah Was Jewish) Hagar was not) one of the biggest proponents was Moshe Dayan...(Named after a man who was killed by Arab bandits defending a Jewish settlement)...Ironically many labor Zionist and Bundists theought they could live in peace with gentiles..they forgot that the ancestor of Europeans (Such as Romans and Germans) IS Esau the apostate Jew son of Isaac and Brother of Jacob/Israel...
Then of Course there was David ben_Avigor Green one prblem in the 1947-1949 war of Indepdenence is that whne the IDF was going to smash the Egyptians/Arabs out of Gaza---they cried Peace and BG fell for it; he also refused to let the IDF run Arabs who did not want to Live in Israel out of the Jewish heartland of Judea and Samaria...over 100 years the Arabs have continuted their war of extemination against Israel....
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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by COmentator » 15 Dec 2023 03:36

:( :cry: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ose_up.jpg
even now when Jewish blood is in the streets
there are those who have not given up the two state solultion
This cartoon shows "Srulik", a cartoon character symbolizing Israel, and on the right, Handala, a cartoon character symbolizing PLO

Alas Srulik", the only thanks from Esau and Handala ----you will get is your feet in fire; a knife in your back and while one pinions your arms the other has his hands on thy throat...

Handala - will then betray and kill ESAU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Arrigoni

This is what the Arab masses want to do to West/Esau as revenge for the Crusades of 700 years ago
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Victory.png


Israel Listen Oh Listen to the L-D and the Torah not earthly princes,,,,,

When the masses of the world chant "From the {Jordan] river to the [mediterranean] Sea Palestine will be free
Jews should chant Expel the PLO from the [mediterranean] Sea to east of [Jordan] River to Jordan/East Palestine
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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by wm » 15 Dec 2023 04:57

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15 Dec 2023 03:00
Sol Hachuel did not convert--she was falsely accused of converting to islam

So, it was a miscarriage of justice in a place without a modern justice system.
Actually, it happened in a slave empire (so-called Barbary Coast) that, during its existence, enslaved (at least) hundreds of thousands of Europeans.
And it should be remembered that at that time, slavery was massive everywhere, in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the US.

So what makes Sol Hachuel special? Why does she have quite a large Wikipedia entry, and (almost) all of the other victims don't?
She wasn't even a slave; her family was wealthy, and certainly owned slaves.
She was a stunner, an utter beauty who refused the courtship of the absolutist ruler of an empire.

I'm asking because I honestly don't understand this (immoral) favoritism.

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by COmentator » 15 Dec 2023 05:58

She died for her faith...she would not give up being Jewish...not for marriage with a goym...or wealth....or even to save her life...
In Hebrew a martyr is known as a kaddosh which means "[a] holy [one]", and martyrs are known as kedoshim meaning "holy [ones]". {Wikipedia)
For centuries nearly all different parts of the Human race had slavery...its not moral....but a part of life....only within the last hundred years has their been abolishment of it....

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by SloveneLiberal » 15 Dec 2023 10:51

COmentator wrote:
15 Dec 2023 03:00
Ironically many labor Zionist and Bundists theought they could live in peace with gentiles..they forgot that the ancestor of Europeans (Such as Romans and Germans) IS Esau the apostate Jew son of Isaac and Brother of Jacob/Israel...
Um dude would it not be better to check DNA evidence before making such claims?! Such convictions are a slippery slope. Sometimes they are just strange and funny but they can be also pretty dangerous.
According to recent genetic studies, around 0.5% of the Italian population has genetic links to Ashkenazi Jews. This means that they have inherited certain genetic markers that are commonly found in Ashkenazi Jewish populations. These genetic links have been found in various regions of Italy, but they are most prevalent in the north, particularly in Lombardy, Piedmont, and Veneto. Some studies have also found genetic links to Sephardic Jews in the southern regions of Italy, such as Calabria, Campania, and Sicily. However, these findings are less common and not as well-established as the links to Ashkenazi Jews in the north. It's important to note that genetic links do not necessarily reflect cultural or religious ties to the Jewish community, but rather indicate shared ancestry.

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by wm » 15 Dec 2023 11:49

The Bundists believed assimilation was the only morally correct course of action. And actually, Jews all around were doing that. They were going native.
Today, it happens, especially in the US, on a massive scale. More than one million of the 5.5 million Jews living in America today assimilated.

The Bundists were right. It was possible, and it was morally correct.

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by Princess Perfume » 15 Dec 2023 12:01

The word "genocide" has been tossed around a lot over the past two months, usually as a rhetorical stick with which to beat on Israel. Here we see a rally at Columbia University in New York. On the banner we see a map showing the whole of Israel covered by a Palestinian flag - clearly advocating the complete elimination of the State of Israel. Next to it we see the slogan "by any means necessary," which in the current context can only be seen as an endorsement of the Hamas terror attack of 7 October and the atrocities which accompanied it.


The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." There are between 15 and 19 million Jews in the world, depending on how the word "Jew" is defined. Of these, 7.4 million live in Israel. To call for the destruction, "by any means necessary," of a state where between 40 and 50% of all the Jews in the world live seems to me to be calling for acts intended to destroy, in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. In other words, to be calling for genocide against the Jews.


I might also observe that those who advocate the destruction of a sovereign state and 7.4 million of its inhabitants "by any means necessary" have no grounds for complaint about the means by which that state chooses to defend itself against that threat. Particularly since, the last time genocide was attempted against the Jews, by the Nazis, the then Palestinian leader, Amin al-Husseyni, was an enthusiastic supporter of that attempt.


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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by ljadw » 15 Dec 2023 12:09

Assimilated ''Jews '' are also the target of the anti-Semites overall in the world as are the non assimilated ''Jews '' .
Barry Goldwater (GOP presidential candidate in 1964 ) and totally assimilated (he was a Presbyterian ),although the grandson of a Jewish Polish rabbi with the name Goldwasser, was banned from several clubs in the US ;if the Gestapo had caught him, he would have ended in Auschwitz .
If Erich von Stroheim, assimilated ''Jew '' from Austria,had been caught by the Germans, he would have been sent to Auschwitz .
And a lot of assimilated ''Jews '' are also antisemitic .One of them is very popular in Western academic world .

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Re: The Iron Wall

Post by wm » 15 Dec 2023 12:14

Princess Perfume wrote:
15 Dec 2023 12:01
The word "genocide" has been tossed around a lot over the past two months, usually as a rhetorical stick with which to beat on Israel. Here we see a rally at Columbia University in New York. On the banner we see a map showing the whole of Israel covered by a Palestinian flag - clearly advocating the complete elimination of the State of Israel.
As in the case of the war in Ukraine, it's propaganda vs. propaganda and nothing more.
We can't learn the truth from modern (tabloid and/or partisan) media.
Don't even try.

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