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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 18:59

Nationality .... % of population .... National structure of accepted Ofic. candidats to JLA (1963 - 1965 - 1969)

Serbs .... 42,1 .... 88 candidates (69%) - 103 (64%) - 72 (44%)
Croats .... 23,1 .... 12 (9,4) - 29 (18%) - 39 (24%)
Slovenes .... 8,6 .... 5 (3,9%) - 12 (7,5%) - 14 (8,6%)
Macedonians .... 5,6 .... 4 (3,1%) - 5 (3,1%) - 8 (49%)
Montenegros .... 2,8 .... 2 (1,6%) - 3 (1,9%) - 6 (3,7%)
Yugoslavs .... 1,7 .... 7 (5,5%) - 6 (3,7%) - 6 (3,7%)
Muslims .... 5,2 .... 1 (0,8%) - / - 5 (3,1%)
Albanians .... 4,9 .... 2 (1,6%) - / - 3 (1,9%)
Hungarians .... 2,7 .... 2 (1,6%) - 1 (0,6%) - 5 (3,1%)
Others .... 3,3 .... 4 (3,2%) .... 2 (1,2%) .... 4 (2,5)




Population .... Serbs .... Croats .... Slovenes .... Macedonias .... Montenegros ... Others
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Population of '61 .... 42,08% .... 23,15%.... 8.57% .... 5,64% .... 2,77% .... 17,79%
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Ofic.Corps '62 (Difference).... 59,7% (+17,62) .... 19,3% (-3,85) .... 6,5% (-2,07) .... 3,7% (-1,94) .... 9,8% (+7,03) .... 1% (-19,79)
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Ofic. Corps '69 (Dif.) .... 60,1% (+18,02) .... 14,7% (-8,45) .... 5,3% (-3,27) .... 4,6% (-1,04) .... 9% (+6,23) .... 6,3% (-11,49)




Population .... Nationality
NCO ..... Serbs - Croats - Slovenes - Macedonians - Montenegros - Others
'59 ..... 66,8% - 13% - 3,1% - 8,1% - 6,8% - 2,2%
'62 ..... 68% - 12,6% - 2,7% - 7,8% - 6,5% - 2,4%
'69 .... 65,6% - 12,6% - 2,6% - 7,5% - 5,8% - 5,9%
Population '61 .... 42,08% - 23,15% - 8,57% - 5,64% - 2,77% - 17,79%
Dif. ..... +23,52 - -10,55 - -5,97 - +1,86 - +3,03 - - 11,89


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Lovšin, A. Slovenci v JLA 1945-1991 (2. del) in Slovenska vojska, Letnik X/17, 4. oct. 2002
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Post by Korbius » 25 Jul 2003, 19:28

Interesting indeed Kocjo, it clearly shows that serbs were privileged in the Yugoslav army, making up the vast majority.
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Post by Sokol » 25 Jul 2003, 19:39

Yes, of course, we were priviliged, Serbia was a big bad monster and the Republics just HAD to illegally break away, when they could have done so legally and avoided a four year war that killed 300,000 people. They HAD to ambush and slaughter hapless JNA garrisons.

Personally, I don't consider the combats that occured in Slovenia in 1991 a "war". Who would? It was a series of skirmishes. Big whoop. More people die in traffic accidents every couple of months in Belgrade than died in that "war".

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 19:51

Population .... Nationality
Military employees.... Serbs - Croats - Slovenes - Macedonians - Montenegros - Others
'62 ..... 53,1% - 27,5% - 7% - 5,3% - 4,5% - 2,6%
'69 ..... 51,3% - 26% - 6 % - 6,7% - 4,1% - 5,9%

Population '61.... 42,08% - 23,15% - 8,57% - 5,64% - 2,77% - 17,79%
Dif. .... +9,22 - +2,98 - -2,57 - +1,06 - +1,33 - -11,89



Nationality .... % of population '61 .... Cadets of Mil.Acad.(%) .... Dif. (%)
Serbs .... 42,08 .... 62,7 .... +20,62
Croats .... 23,14 ... 13,7 ..... -9,44
Slovenes .... 8,6 .... 3,6 .... -5
Macedonians .... 5,63 .... 7,8 .... +2,17
Montenegros .... 2,8 ... 5,5 .... +2,7
Yugoslavs ..... 1,7 .... 3,7 .... +2
Undeclared .... 5,2 ... 0,7 ... -4,5
Hungarians .... 2,71 ... 0,4 ... -4,31
Albanians ..... 4,93 .... 0,4 ... -4,53
Others ... 3,21 ... 1,5 ... -1,71



Category ...... National structure (%)
///// ..... Serbs - Croats ... Slovenes .... Macedonians .... Montenegros ... Others
NCO - A ..... 58,8 - 15,5 - 5,3 - 5,8 - 8,2 - 6,4
NCO - B .... 63,9 - 13,6 - 3,3 - 6,1 - 6,7 - 6,4
Ofic. - A .... 56,6 - 17,5 - 6,5 - 3,4 - 9,6 - 6,4
Ofic. - B .... 63,9 - 11,8 - 3,9 - 5,4 - 8,7 - 6,3
Population '61 .... 42,8 - 23,15 - 8,57 - 5,64 - 2,77 - 17,79

A stands for military or partizan active military persons.
B stands for After-war military persons




Title SR and SAP .... Number of accepted cadets* .... % of cadets ... % of population .... Dif.
SR BiH ... 3300 ... 22,81 .... 18,38 ... +4,43
SR Črna gora .... 429 .... 2,97 .... 2,6 ... +0,37
SR Hrvaška .... 2854 ... 19,73 ... 20,52 .... -0,79
SR Makedonija .... 1135 ... 7,85 .... 8,53 ... -0,68
SR Slovenija .... 397 ... 2,74 ... 8,44 ... -5,7
SR Srbija .... 6350 ... 43,9 ... 41,53 ... +2,37
Teritory out-side SAP .... 3812.... 26,35 ,.... 25,39 .... +0,96
SAP Kosovo .... 825 ... 5,7 ... 7,07 ... -1,37
SAP Vojvodina .... 1713 ... 11,85 ... 9,07 ... +2,78

SR - Socialistična republika (Socialist Republik)
SAP - Socialistično avtonomno področje (Socialist Autonomic (sp) Area)
* all-together were 14,465



Nationality .... Number of accepted cadets .... % of cadets .... % of population .... Dif.
Montenegros ... 489 ... 3,38 ... 2,58 ... +0,8
Croats ... 2497 .... 17,26 .... 19,47 .... -2,21
Macedonians .... 1015 ... 7,02 ... 5,98 ---- +1,04
Muslims .... 1407 .... 9,73 ... 8,02 .... +0,81
Slovenes .... 392 ... 2,71 ... 7,82 ... -5,11
Serbs .... 6937 ... 47,96 ... 36,3 ... +11,66
Albanians ..... 553 ... 3,82 ... 7,72 ... -3,9
Bolgars .... 57 ... 0,39 ... 0,16 .... +0,23
Czechs .... 18 ... 0,12 ... 0,09 .... +0,03
Hungarians ....259 .... 1,79 ... 1,9 ... -0,11
Romanians .... 15 .... 0,1 .... 0,25 ... -0,15
Slovaks .... 79 .... 0,55 ... 0,36 .... +0,19
Yugoslavs .... 636 ... 4,4 ... 5,43 ... -1,03
Others .... 111 .... 0,77 ... 3,02 .... -2,25
This is from year 1981.



These 2 folowing are from 1985.
Title SR and SAP .... % of cadets .... % of population .... Dif.
SR BiH ... 20,54 ... 8,38 ..... +2,16
SR Črna gora ..... 3,34 .... 2,6 .... +0,74
SR Hrvaška ..... 18,65 .... 20,52 .... -1,87
SR Makedonija .... 6,73 .... 8,53 .... -1,8
SR Slovenija .... 4,63 .... 8,44 ... -3,81
SR Srbija .... 46,11 .... 41,53 ... +4,58
Teritory out-side SAP 29,06 .... 25,39 .... +3,67
SAP Kosovo ... 6,01 .... 7,07 .... -1,06
SAP Vojvodina .... 11,04 ... 9,07 ... +1,97


Nationality .... % of accepted cadets .... % of population .... Dif.
Montenegros .... 4,37 ... 2,58 ... +1,79
Croats .... 14,82 ... 19,74 ... -4,92
Macedonians ... 6,13 .... 5,98 .... +0,15
Muslims .... 7,02 .... 8,92 ... -1,9
Slovenes ... 4,96 ... 7,82 ... - 3,13
Serbs ... 48,14 .... 36,3 .... +11,84
Albanians .... 3,79 ... 7,72 ... - 3,93
Bolgars ... 0,38 ... 0, 16 ... +0,22
Czehs .... 0,1 .... 0,09 .... +0,01
Hungarians .... 1,65 ..... 1,9 .... -0,25
Romunians .... 0,11 .... 0,25 ... -0,14
Slovaks .... 0,39 ... 0, 36 ... +0.03
Yugoslavs .... 7,66 ... 5,44 ... +2,22
Others ... o,75 ... 2,74 ... -1,99





Source:
Lovšin, A. Slovenci v JLA 1945-1991 (3. del) in Slovenska vojska, Letnik X/18, 18. oct. 2002
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 19:54

Sokol wrote:Personally, I don't consider the combats that occured in Slovenia in 1991 a "war". Who would? It was a series of skirmishes. Big whoop. More people die in traffic accidents every couple of months in Belgrade than died in that "war".

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We fought a clean war and won. :lol:
You, Serbs, had to go from Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo, even Montenegro is not so close to you as it was :P .
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Post by Sokol » 25 Jul 2003, 19:58

Oh, yes, we definitely lost the war. We gained territory (Republika Srpska comes to mind), we got all the JNA's good equipment, we inherited an excellent officer corps, we inflicted far greater casualties on the Croats and Bosnians - and we lost the war? Me thinks not.

Besides, why do you keep referring to the Serbs of Montenegro as Montenegrins (implying a different "people")? They're Serbs. And Montenegro is still the same distance from any single point in Serbia as it once was. Last I heard, the war didn't shift the Earth's tectonic plates.

No, I disagree, you didn't fight a war. You harassed a retreating enemy. There's a difference.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 20:05

Sokol wrote:Besides, why do you keep referring to the Serbs of Montenegro as Montenegrins (implying a different "people")? They're Serbs. And Montenegro is still the same distance from any single point in Serbia as it once was. Last I heard, the war didn't shift the Earth's tectonic plates.


Because I just translated and posted a article. It's not my job.

Sokol wrote:No, I disagree, you didn't fight a war. You harassed a retreating enemy. There's a difference.
If JLA would be in retreat, why were they coming from Croatia to Slovenia. Because, as you probably know, Slovenija is on north of Croatia and Srbija is south from Croatia.


I can't say, that you didn't get all the AIRPLANES AND MOST OF HELICOPTERS (because of Brioni declaration), but we now have a more modern army and better equipment then Serbian army.
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Post by Sokol » 25 Jul 2003, 20:10

Sure you have a better army than Serbia, keep telling yourself that *rolls eyes*.

Kocjo, most of the JNA forces attacked by Slovenians were JNA troop garrisons *in* Slovenia at the outbreak of the war. They got orders to retreat shortly after the war began. They retreated. Show me evidence to the contrary and start a factual argument or be quiet.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 21:32

Sokol wrote:Kocjo, most of the JNA forces attacked by Slovenians were JNA troop garrisons *in* Slovenia at the outbreak of the war. They got orders to retreat shortly after the war began. They retreated. Show me evidence to the contrary and start a factual argument or be quiet.

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1.)First JLA column had entered Slovenia on 27.7.'91 at 0.47 am, when they crossed the bridge over river Kolpa by Jurovski brid/Križevska vas. The column was stoped at Poganci at 2.00 am, but because their wasn't any good barricade, the TO led column go at 10.22 am. Column went to Medvedjek.

2.) JLA column (one police car, one mil. Jeep, 3 APC) has entered Slovenia by Rigonce over a bridge over river Sotla on 27.7. at 8.30 pm. They stoped the column (heavy losse of TO - 1 KIA, one severly wounded), but the next morning the column went back to Zagreb.

3.) Ormož, 8 am, 27.7.'91. JLA column tried to break through barricade, soo that they could entered in SLovenia. The column was under the command of Colonel POPOV. The column didn't enter.

4.) Gibina, 28.6.'91. JLA column (5 tanks, 7 APC, 2 trucks, 5 cars, 2 Platoons) tried to enter Slovenia. The column was stoped at barricade by 9 TO soldiers.

5.) Štrigova, 27.6.'91 same JLA column (4 tanks, 10 APC, 6 trucks, 2 car-tanks, 2 Jeeps, 2 cars) of Col. Popov enter Slovenia. The column was stoped at Radenci. The column retreated back to Croatia on 4.7.'91 at 00.00 am.

6.) 2.7.'91, Presika. JLA column (8 tanks, 6 APC, several cars and trucks) from Varaždin wanted to enter Slovenia to help Popov's column, but was stoped at the border.

7.) JLA column (10 APC) from Bjelovar broke through barricade on the border and was stoped at Hrastje-Mota on 3.7.

8.) Kog, 3.7. Another JLA column wanted to enter Slovenia to help Popov but was destroyed.

9.) 28.6., Mursko Središče. JLA column (3 tanks, 2 APC, 7 cars) wanted to enter in Slovenia, but they were stoped at barricade.
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 21:39

If Serbia is sooooooooooo goooood, why are you in Australia, Sokol? :wink: :lol: :P
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 21:53

Nationality ..... % of Ofic.Corps .... % of Population '85 ..... Dif.
Montenegros ..... 5,82 ... 2,59 ... +3,24
Croats .... 12,51 .... 19,74 .... -7,23
Macedonians .... 6,74 ... 5,98 ... +0,76
Muslims .... 3,65 ... 8.92 ... -5,27
Slovenes ... 2,64 ... 7,82 .... -5,18
Serbs .... 57.17 ... 36,3 ... +20,87
Albanians .... 1,09 ... 7,72 .... -6,63
Bolgarians .... 0,33 ... 0,16 ... +,017
Czehs .... 0,11 ... 0,09 .... +0.02
Hungarian .... 0,88 .. 1,9 ... -1.02
Romunians .... 0.08 ... 0,25 ... -0,17
Slovaks .... 0,29 ... 0.36 ... -0.07
Yugoslavs .... 8,22 ... 5,44 ... +2,78
Others ... 0,47 ... 2,74 ...-2,27


SR and SAP .... % of Ofic.Corps ..... % of population '85 ..... Dif.
SR BiH .... 17.75 ... 18.36 ... -0,64
SR Črna gora ... 4,44 ... 2,61 ... +1,83
SR Hrvaška .... 19,71 ... 20,52 ... -0,81
SR Makedonija .. 7,69 .... 8.53 ... -0.84
SR Slovenija ... 2,55 ... 8.43 ... -5,88
Teritory of SR Srbija out-side of SAP .... 34,77 ... 25,39 ... +9.38
SAP Kosovo ... 4,61 .. 7.07 ... -2,46
SAP Vojvodina ... 8.22 ... 9.07 ... -0,85
SR Srbija all-together ... 47.60 ... 41.53 ... +6.07



Nationality .... % of Rez.Ofic. .... % of Population '85 .... Dif.
Serbs ... 45,3 ... 36.3 .... +9.0
Croats ... 20,4 ... 19.7 ... +0.7
Slovenes ... 10.00 ... 7.8 .... +2,2
Macedonians ... 7,8 .... 6.00 ... +1,8
Montenegros ... 5,2 ... 2,6 ... +2,6
Muslims ... 5,1 ... 2,6 .... 2,6
Albanians ... 1,7 ... 7,7 ... -6,0
Hungarians .... 0,8 ... 1,9 ... -1,1
Yugoslavs .... 2,5 ... 5,4 ... -2,9
Others .... 1,2 .... 3,7 ... -2,5

Source:
Lovšin, A. Slovenci v JLA 1945-1991 (4. del) in Slovenska vojska, Letnik X/19, 8. nov. 2002
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 21:58

Nationality .... % of population '81 .... % of Ofic. Corps
Montenegros ... 2,58 ... 6,2
Croats ... 19,74 ... 12,6
Macedonians ... 5,98 ... 6,3
Muslims ... 8,92 ... 2,4
Slovenes ... 7,82 .... 2,4
Serbs ... 36.3 ... 60
Albanians ... 7.72 .. 0,6
Hungarians ... 1,9 ... 0,7
Yugoslavs ... 5,44 ... 6,7
Others ... 3,6 .. 1,7



Source:
Lovšin, A. Slovenci v JLA 1945-1991 (6. del) in Slovenska vojska, Letnik X/21, 20. dec. 2002
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 22:00

OK, this is all I could find at my library.

Hope, this helps you Korbius. :)
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 25 Jul 2003, 22:02

If there are any Croats, Muslims, Macedonians,..., who are watching/reading this, please, join us three at posting.
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Post by Korbius » 25 Jul 2003, 23:29

Kocjo, thanks for posting all that info, and sorry for bothering you to search all this stuff. :wink:
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