Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby Mangrove » 12 Apr 2017 04:13

CanKiwi2 wrote:If anyone's interested, the full length movie "Sissit" is back up on youtube. If you want to watch a classic old WW2 Finnish war movie, grab the chance to watch before it gets taken down again.


As YLE (a public service broadcasting company) owns the rights for all films made by Fennada-Filmi, you may watch the film legally through YLE's site in better quality: YLE Areena - Sissit.

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby CanKiwi2 » 12 Apr 2017 14:00

Mangrove wrote:
CanKiwi2 wrote:If anyone's interested, the full length movie "Sissit" is back up on youtube. If you want to watch a classic old WW2 Finnish war movie, grab the chance to watch before it gets taken down again.


As YLE (a public service broadcasting company) owns the rights for all films made by Fennada-Filmi, you may watch the film legally through YLE's site in better quality: YLE Areena - Sissit.


Yoweeee! Now that's what I call public service! Wish I'd known before. Thanks a million Mangrove, waaaaay better quality :D
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby james_henshall » 31 Aug 2017 20:21

I'd be most grateful if anyone might be able to shed light on the disappointing end to Artturi Rope's career after about 1950, please? He played such a prominent part in the (military) musical life of the nation prior to that, his sidelining cannot have been an accident. Thank you!
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby JTV » 01 Sep 2017 05:53

james_henshall wrote:I'd be most grateful if anyone might be able to shed light on the disappointing end to Artturi Rope's career after about 1950, please? He played such a prominent part in the (military) musical life of the nation prior to that, his sidelining cannot have been an accident. Thank you!
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According Wikipedia:
Arthur "Artturi" Rope (surname Robertsson until year 1935). Born 28th of May 1903 in Ruokolahti, died 23rd of March 1976 in Helsinki.

Rope studied in Helsinki Music Academy (Helsingin Musiikkiopisto) in 1922 - 1930 and conducted examination for military conductor in year 1934. He acted as conductor of orchestra of Finnish White Guard Band (Suomen Valkoisen Kaartin soittokunta), later named as orchestra of Helsinki Garrison (Helsingin Varuskuntasoittokunta) (now known as: Guard's Orchestra / Kaartin Soittokunta) in 1934 - 1953.

Rope composed and adapted about 500 musical arts of work, grand majority of which are adaptations made for brass band, including symphonies by Jean Sibelius and Pjotr Tsaikovski. During World War 2 he adapted practically all march and light music used by military orchestras. During the war he also became known as conductor of Asemiesilta events (wartime radio broadcasted entertainment events inspired by German Militarische Radio-Abend, total 125 were produced in Finland). The best art of work that he composed is Sotamarsalkan hopeatorvet ("War Marshal's Silver Horns").

A new head conductor was being selected for Finnish Armed Forces in early 1950's. Martti Parantainen who got chosen for the job replaced Rope. The two men did not get along and soon had a total breach, which resulted Parantainen getting Rope transferred from Helsinki to town of Hämeenlinna. Rope left from the military in year 1953, after which he worked as teacher of Sibelius-Akatemia (Sibelius Academy) and as a private music teacher. As a private music teacher he among other things gave piano and singing lessons in his home. He also worked as teacher of Sibelius-academy from year 1944 until his death.

Rope received the honorary title of Director musices in year 1958. He was buried to Guard's cemetary (Kaartin hautausmaa) in Helsinki.

This (Finnish language) webpage has some material from Asemiesilta events:
https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2011/05/20/asemiesillat-viihdyttivat-jermuja-ja-siviileja

"Artturi" Rope at work, Finnish Armed Forces cinematic journal number 54 from year 1942:


Finnish Armed Forces Conscript Band plays "War Marshal's Silver Horns":


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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby james_henshall » 01 Sep 2017 07:02

Thank you very much for filling in the gap! I'd understood Rope didn't get the Directorship. I'd just wondered if there was more to it than a personality clash? Thank you for replying so quickly.
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby james_henshall » 01 Sep 2017 07:18

As one gets more familiar with the materials, the gaps in the available, or publicised material in English become ever more interesting, and a pattern seems to be developing, to wit, composers and musicians who subscribed to the very necessary collective imperative of the 1930s and early 40s have suffered (posthumous) proscription. For instance, another composer that suffers from this lack of attention in the "accepted" music histories is Sam Sihvo! And for much the same reason, I guess. I am not thinking here, so much, in terms of absolute merit but mainly with regard to significance of the work. Sihvo's Jääkärin morsian, for instance, is a good example. Hugely significant even if not, measured in absolute terms, of enormous merit.
Would you say there was an element of political correctness in the (re-)invention of Finnish music?

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby Seppo Koivisto » 01 Sep 2017 10:03

As far as I understand Artturi Rope was in 1934–1953 the conductor of the Finnish White Guard regiment orchestra. A very prominent position as they perform in state visits etc. Which maybe made him the most eligible candidate as the Chief conductor of the Finnish Armed Forces. However Martti Parantainen was chosen. It was maybe a Mozart and Salieri situation, where Rope was finaly sent to a less prominent position in Hämeenlinna.

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotilaskapellimestari

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby james_henshall » 01 Sep 2017 10:44

Thank you very much for your reply. The comparison is pertinent and interesting! I'll have to find out some more about Martti Parantainen. Interesting link too!
I'd been wondering whether Rope's "fall from grace" (althoughthat is, possibly, too strong an expression) was directly related to the aesthetic mores that prevailed at that time? I'm analyzing and contrasting the two versions of Klami's Second Symphony with the same notion in mind: in my opinion the first version is, by far, the better.
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby Seppo Koivisto » 02 Sep 2017 10:00

I hope the new book on the history of Finnish military music to be published in 2019 will fill any gaps.
https://sotilasmusiikki.wordpress.com/

According to this article Artturi Rope introduced the mace for the Finnish marching band in 1951.
https://sotilasmusiikki.wordpress.com/2 ... -suomessa/


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