Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Discussions on the Winter War and Continuation War, the wars between Finland and the USSR.
Hosted by Juha Tompuri
Marcelo Jenisch
Member
Posts: 724
Joined: 22 May 2011 18:27
Location: Porto Alegre

Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby Marcelo Jenisch » 07 Feb 2013 19:00



Video's description:

Hitler's Mannerheim Conversation: Secret recording from 1942 of the first 11 minutes of Adolf Hitler having a private conversation with Finland's General Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim.

During the visit, an engineer of the Finnish broadcasting company YLE, Thor Damen, succeeded in recording the first 11 minutes of Hitler's and Mannerheim's private conversation. This had to be done secretly, as Hitler never allowed others to record him off-guard. Damen was given the assignment to record the official birthday speeches and Mannerheim's responses and following those orders added microphones to certain railway cars.

Unfortunately, Mannerheim and his guests chose to go to a car that didn't have a microphone in it. Damen acted quickly, pushing a microphone through one of the car windows to a netshelf just above where Hitler and Mannerheim were sitting. After 11 minutes of Hitler's and Mannerheim's private conversation, Hitler's SS bodyguards spotted the cords coming out of the window and realized that the Finnish engineer was recording the conversation. They gestured to him to stop recording immediately, and he complied. The SS bodyguards demanded that the tape be immediately destroyed, but YLE was allowed to keep the reel, after promising to keep it in a sealed container. It was given to the head of the state censors' office Kustaa Vilkuna and in 1957 returned to YLE. It was made available to the public a few years later. It is the only known recording of Hitler speaking in an unofficial tone.

There is an unsubstantiated story that during his meeting with Hitler, Mannerheim lit a cigar. Mannerheim supposed that Hitler would ask Finland for help against the Soviet Union, which Mannerheim was unwilling to give. When Mannerheim lit up, all in attendance gasped, for Hitler's aversion to smoking was well known. Yet Hitler continued the conversation calmly, with no comment. In this way, Mannerheim could judge if Hitler was speaking from a position of strength or weakness. He was able to refuse Hitler, knowing that Hitler was in a weak position, and could not dictate to him.

Mangrove
Member
Posts: 1665
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 01:33

Re: Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby Mangrove » 07 Feb 2013 19:14

There have been several previous threads about the recording, here are some of them:

Hitler and Mannerheim
Hitler & Mannerheim recording on radio Yle 1
Only existing recording of Hitler talking in private

Seppo Koivisto
Member
Posts: 523
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 22:49
Location: Finland

Re: Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby Seppo Koivisto » 08 Feb 2013 18:23

The complete recording is on Yle website:
http://yle.fi/elavaarkisto/artikkelit/h ... media=3913

october
Member
Posts: 3
Joined: 04 Oct 2017 04:48
Location: america

Re: Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby october » 04 Oct 2017 05:16

I found a website has following quotes from tape.
Ryti: can we look forward to troop reductions on the arctic front in the near future?
Hitler: you can depend upon it. Once petersburg falls falls there will be no further need for such large forces beyond the arctic circle.
I have not heard this from the version on youtube. Are they fake?
Are these from some other recording?

Mangrove
Member
Posts: 1665
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 01:33

Re: Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby Mangrove » 11 Oct 2017 10:31

october wrote:I found a website has following quotes from tape.


Was the page this one which seems to concentrate mostly around UFO sightings and secret German base at Antarctica? UFO ROUNDUP

october wrote:I have not heard this from the version on youtube. Are they fake? Are these from some other recording?


Risto Ryti kept detailed diary from 1940 to 1944. Although it is known he edited the diary (published in 2006 as "Käymme omaa erillistä sotaamme": Risto Rytin päiväkirjat 1940-1944) after he resigned from the presidency, the preserved notes reflect quite accurately what is known from the survived recording and other notes made during that day.

Here's a relevant quote from the book regarding the Finnish troops in the north (pg. 191-192):
"Regarding the northern front, Mannerheim pointed out that he hasn't been returned the Finnish troops that he had subjected under the German command in the north, but which were to be returned under the agreement. Hitler didn't immediately say anything. A little while later he inquired about it from Keitel. He agreed that the Marshal was right about this matter. At the same time Keitel explained that the arrangements had been delayed by the fact that the German 5th and 7th Divisions, which were supposed to be transferred to Northern Finland, had been tied up in the battles around St. Petersburg.

Hitler didn't say anything more about the matter. However, during a German "Besprechung" (meeting), he had brough up the matter and ordered that agreements made with Mannerheim had to be fulfilled according to the information I received later".

[...] Pohjoisen rintaman kysymyksen ollen Mannerheim huomautti, ettei hän vielä ollut saanut takaisin niitä suomalaisia joukkoja, jotka hän pohjoisessa oli suostunut alistamaan saksalaisten komentoon, mutta jotka sopimuksen mukaisesti olisi jo ollut palautettava. Hitler ei heti sanonut mitään. Sitten hän vähän myöhemmin tiedusteli Keiteliltä, kuinka asianlaita tässä kohden oli, jolloin K. myönsi, että Marsalkan huomautus kyllä oli oikea. Samalla K. selitti, että asian järjestäminen oli viivästynyt, koska saksalaiset 5. ja 7. divisioonat, joiden oli pitänyt tulla Pohjois-Suomeen olivat olleet kietoutuneina Pietarin seudun taisteluihin. Hitler ei asiasta lausunut enempää, mutta saksalaisten keskisessä Besprechungissa hän vähän myöhemmin saamani ilmoituksen mukaan oli ottanut asian esille ja määrännyt että M:heimin kanssa tehdyt sopimukset on täytettävä. [...]

october
Member
Posts: 3
Joined: 04 Oct 2017 04:48
Location: america

Re: Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby october » 14 Oct 2017 22:12

Yes thats the one. I did not think they were accurate because of UFO website content but I wanted confirmation. Thanks.

october
Member
Posts: 3
Joined: 04 Oct 2017 04:48
Location: america

Re: Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby october » 17 Oct 2017 23:07

Has anyone seen youtube Mannheim-Hitler 1942 secret recordings, it claims the recording was not stopped by the Germans, that there were no german troops present and would have had no jurisdiction stop it. Its said Kalle Lehmus decided 11 minutes were enough and decided terminate it. Is this true?

Mangrove
Member
Posts: 1665
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 01:33

Re: Hitler & Mannerheim Conversation

Postby Mangrove » 21 Oct 2017 15:07

october wrote:Has anyone seen youtube Mannheim-Hitler 1942 secret recordings, it claims the recording was not stopped by the Germans, that there were no german troops present and would have had no jurisdiction stop it. Its said Kalle Lehmus decided 11 minutes were enough and decided terminate it.


Reporter Eero Saarenheimo from Yleisradio (Finnish Broadcasting Company) interviewed Thor Damen in the early 1960s. Damen simply claims some German SA/SS men noticed the recording and fetched some Finnish Defence Forces soldiers working for the propaganda unit ("TK-mies") who then stopped the recording. However, Damen also claims he threw the microphone in the luggage compartment, a claim which is contradicted by the photographs that show there were microphones in plain sight during that day.


Return to “Winter War & Continuation War”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot]