Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

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Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by Mikko H. » 14 Sep 2019 15:15

Can anyone point me to a source that gives the table strengths of Finnish division (with two infantry regiments) and brigade in 1944?

JTV's marvellous Jaeger Platoon site gives the TO&E, but not strengths https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/FORMATIONS3.htm

I'm looking for data how many men, rifles, SMGs, artillery pieces etc. a full-strength division and brigade was supposed to have.

And if someone could additionally point me to a source that gives the actual strengths of the Finnish divisions and brigades in Karelian Isthmus in the eve of the Soviet offensive in June 1944, I would be even more grateful!

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Re: Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by Art » 14 Sep 2019 22:57

There are many tables in online Finnish archive, but they are somewhat contradicting in details. In particular, it seems that establishment of anti-tank companies and artillery battalions tended to depend on the type of their weapons. See the attachments, I'm hardly able to remember their exact location in online docs. From my count authorized strength of the infantry division without attached units was 13+ thousand men, of the infantry brigade - about 6300.
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Re: Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by Mikko H. » 15 Sep 2019 10:41

Thanks!

I tried looking for digitized files in the National Archives online service, but I haven't been able to access it during the last couple of days.

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Re: Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by alpinoinMT » 16 Sep 2019 18:28

Looks like I am in for a little translation - should be fun!
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Re: Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by Mikko H. » 18 Sep 2019 18:43

Found the table strengths in one place I should have thought of checking before: Matti Koskimaa's Veitsen terällä.

Will start looking for actual strengths in the digitized archives unless someone has other suggestions.

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Re: Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by tramonte » 02 Feb 2020 17:35

There are several bit surprising things of those strengths.

1) I always have believed that Finnish infantry battalions didn't have likely 4th rifle platoons in each rifle company. But when not only table strengths were indeed 1,022 men but real strengths near a thousand there must have been that 4th platoon. Anyway actual strengths even after fierce battles where surprisingly near 1,000.

2) dysentery epidemic so often claimed to have been huge problem both for troops of Leningrad Front and Finnish units seems not to have been big issue in late June and mid July 1944 at least for Finns.

3) Take a look at 18.D and its regiments (JR 6 especially) having just 50-70% of their riffles, submachine guns, light machine guns. There has been something very strange things with that weapon inventory. Not much credibility on it.

4) I bet 2.D after bloody days of 10th June and Siiranmäki (14 -16 June) would have seriously lacked men. However they (JR 7 and JR 49) had in 30th June actually more men than their official table strength (3,610). It seems to be they have tanked up combat units before inevitable even more bloody combat in Äyräpää-Vuosalmi (as it did happen).
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Re: Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by tramonte » 02 Feb 2020 18:22

Art wrote:
14 Sep 2019 22:57
There are many tables in online Finnish archive, but they are somewhat contradicting in details. In particular, it seems that establishment of anti-tank companies and artillery battalions tended to depend on the type of their weapons. See the attachments, I'm hardly able to remember their exact location in online docs. From my count authorized strength of the infantry division without attached units was 13+ thousand men, of the infantry brigade - about 6300.
It's logical to have different strength with AT-company(Tyk.K) having 75 mm guns than that of having 45 mm and especially 37 mm.

What really puzzles me is the real table strength of infantry battalion of 1,022 men (as almost all inf battalion did have in 1944, not sure about Jäger and Border Jäger battalions) because as i have so long believed most of riffle companies has just 3 riffle platoons. However having 3 platoons of each company hardly gives you commander chance to reach table strength to 1,022. In fact it's about 120 lower, somewhere near 900. So was the real strength even in trench warfare period been much more than 900?
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Re: Finnish division and brigade table strengths 1944

Post by Harri » 22 Mar 2020 17:02

The book strength of the divisional infantry battalion was 894 men in 1944. Separate Battalions as well as battalions of Infantry Brigades were slightly larger (1022 men). Fourth platoons of divisional infantry battalions were suspended already around late August and early September 1941.

In 1943 - 1944 Border Guard Jäger Battalion had 1144 men.

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