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Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by Ironmachine » 02 Mar 2018 20:20

An album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications, compiled by the Soviet Military Intelligence in 1938:
http://www.allworldwars.com/Album-of-th ... tions.html

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by MLW » 02 Mar 2018 20:34

Very nice! I never gave the Mannerheim Line much thought and now I want to know more!

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by CF Geust » 03 Mar 2018 19:25

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I would like to point out that the Album mentioned above was one of the central sources for Antero Uitto´s and my book about the Mannerheim line (first published in 2006, third expanded and corrected edition in 2016, 248 pages many full color maps and photos). See:

https://www.adlibris.com/fi/kirja/manne ... 9512401604 (29,90 EUR)

The example No.10 of the top secret Album was captured by Finnish forces on the Karelian isthmus in autumn 1941.

Another central source for our book is the Souvenir Album "The Mannerheim line is broken 11 February 1940" (extremely small print run, intended for the top Soviet leaders).

The first album was referred to by General Meretskov when defending himself against accusations during the Winter-war "post mortem" conference led by Stalin in Kremlin 14-17 April 1940; see Zimnaya vojna 1939-1940. I.V. Stalin i Finskaya kampaniya, Nauka 1998, page 149 -> (in Finnish: Puna-armeija Stalinin tentissä, Edita 1997, p. 257->)

Book cover, page 17 and page 160 of our book are enclosed:
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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by Laurance.Robinson » 06 Mar 2018 08:54

Thanks, that's really awesome.

Is the original album available in PDF form somewhere?

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by CF Geust » 06 Mar 2018 21:27

AFIK there is no PDF version of the album. However, I do not know if the example detected in Russian archives is available...

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by Laurance.Robinson » 22 Feb 2021 07:54

I have read in a few books upon the Winter War that the Soviet Union had received certain plans and maps of the Line from Germany, which had obtained them through their Military Attache in the Embassy in Helsinki.

Does anyone know if this story is true or have a source for it?

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Laurance

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by CF Geust » 22 Feb 2021 09:36

Good morning,
I have never heard that the Red Army received information from Germany, but it of course possible (although not very likely to my mind).

One copy of the original Soviet "Black Album" is kept in the archive of the Museum of Western Military District (former Leningrad MD) in St.Peterburg, and was recently presented in a television-documentary transmitted by the Zvezda-channel (with the Finnish spy Vilho Pentikäinen as "main star"); see

https://www.dokonlin.site/video/sekretn ... -2021.html

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by Laurance.Robinson » 22 Feb 2021 12:41

CF Geust wrote:
22 Feb 2021 09:36
Good morning,
I have never heard that the Red Army received information from Germany, but it of course possible (although not very likely to my mind).

One copy of the original Soviet "Black Album" is kept in the archive of the Museum of Western Military District (former Leningrad MD) in St.Peterburg, and was recently presented in a television-documentary transmitted by the Zvezda-channel (with the Finnish spy Vilho Pentikäinen as "main star"); see

https://www.dokonlin.site/video/sekretn ... -2021.html

Carl
Thank you, I'll have to give that a check.

I'll try and dig out where I saw the claim.

Regards,

Laurance

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by Mikko H. » 22 Feb 2021 19:59

Laurance.Robinson wrote:
22 Feb 2021 07:54
I have read in a few books upon the Winter War that the Soviet Union had received certain plans and maps of the Line from Germany, which had obtained them through their Military Attache in the Embassy in Helsinki.

Does anyone know if this story is true or have a source for it?

Regards,

Laurance
It's a myth.

See this discussion: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=249568

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by Laurance.Robinson » 22 Feb 2021 21:35

Mikko H. wrote:
22 Feb 2021 19:59
Laurance.Robinson wrote:
22 Feb 2021 07:54
I have read in a few books upon the Winter War that the Soviet Union had received certain plans and maps of the Line from Germany, which had obtained them through their Military Attache in the Embassy in Helsinki.

Does anyone know if this story is true or have a source for it?

Regards,

Laurance
It's a myth.

See this discussion: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=249568
Thanks for the clarification

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Re: Album of the Mannerheim Line fortifications

Post by Swing » 23 Feb 2021 15:22

Full album from 1938 you can find here: http://www.photo.aroundspb.ru/fortification/lm_1938/

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