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Re: RTR 4

Post by Eugenius » 21 Nov 2021 14:54

Terve guys, and here goes our next issue of Finnish coastal artillery news. This week we made a trip to north Ladoga with a couple of my friends, so here are the results:

- 39.Rask.Ptri in Haapaniemi - all roads leading there are blocked now while the distances are too far for walking. Generally it is possible to drive closer to the battery's location, but one had to have well-geared off-road car with winch, sand tracks etc., which we did not have. So we had to leave this task for next year's spring.

Then we had to spend a couple of hours for minor car repair, so 2 guys were repairing the car while the third one walked to check the position of II/3.Mt.Rask.Ptri north of Pisinjoki mouth - and it was found! Approximate location is 60.82999, 32.81655 and there is only one picture so far:

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So my friend found 2 positions of 122K/31 guns, 2 positions of 47/40 guns, probable searchlight basement and at least 2 concrete cornerstones for observation tower. There was simply no time to make detailed inspection of the area, taking photos and defining precise co-ordinates as it was nearly dark. This task is also left for next spring, but now we know exact location of the battery and that many objects remained till now.

Again, we did not check the position of I/3.Mt.Rask.Ptri with 2/122K/31 guns south of Pisinjoki due to lack of time. A question: why 122K/31 guns north of the river are shown facing Ladoga/westwards while the same guns south of the river are shown facing southwards? Were the former installed as coastal guns (and received concrete basement) while the latter used as field guns for inland targets (I wonder - which ones?) and had no basements? Map source: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=4461182

So the next day we moved to Hiitolanmäki south of Impilahti to find the second position of 37.Rask.Ptri. As there were 3 of us, it did not take much time:

The trench cut in rock leads to the gunpit:

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The trench gets deeper:

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Ready service locker right of the entrance to the gunpit:

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Re: RTR 4

Post by Eugenius » 21 Nov 2021 15:00

The gunpit is really large, cut in rock and overgrown with spruces, so it was not possible to fit it in full into camera view:

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Re: RTR 4

Post by Eugenius » 21 Nov 2021 15:47

Gun basement studs should be here, but I did not find them. The bottom of the gunpit is covered with rather thick layer of waterlogged moss; I believe the studs are somewhere beneath, but they are just not visible under the moss, and we had no shovels with us to clear up the gunpit:

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Looking at the location of both guns, I think their targets were not Soviet ships in Ladoga, but rather approaches to Pitkäranta and/or Sortavala ports.

Then we moved southwards to Impiniemi to search for observation and range-finding post of the battery.

Local roads and local fun:

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There are trenches and observation positions (?), though not finished, on the highest point of the peninsula. A frame basement of the crew house is located east of the hill. Could this be a basement of the range-finder?

DSCF5427 Предположительно позиция дальномера, 61.59336, 31.14525.JPG

Some views:

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Re: RTR 4

Post by Eugenius » 21 Nov 2021 16:30

Interesting item was found on our way back - 4 still rods hammered in rock and ca. 10 cm round hole. We found ca. 2 m long stick and decided to measure the depth of the hole - the stick did not reach the bottom! Was it radio antenna basement?

DSCF5440 Предположительно основание антенны, 61.59495, 31.14477.JPG

Our last point was location of 43. Rask. Ptri. near Haukkalampi - the one I tried to search in July on the field overgrown with Maitohorsmat. There was much less grass now, and I also should thank local Villisikat, which crushed the most of high grass, so I've got moderately wet after roaming the field. That was just a field of a Finnish farmer with ruins of farm buildings closer to the forest - and nothing else. While I was exploring the field, my colleagues promptly found both gunpits closer to Haukkalampi - ML, you were absolutely right when suggested alternative co-ordinates!

The first one:

DSCF5444 Финский орудийный дворик, 61.6523, 31.32194.JPG

No metal, no stones - the position was made completely of wood and earth with wooden gun basement.

A trench coming out of the gunpit is still clearly visible:

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The second gunpit is partly flooded:

DSCF5455 Финский орудийный дворик, 61.65299, 31.32237.JPG

So now we know that captain Laakkonen and his fellows were swimming not in Ladoga, but in Haukkalampi - I guess the water was warmer there.))) See SA-kuva pictures 158079 - 158104.

Like Hiitolanmäki battery, this one was also targeted not to Ladoga, but to Pitkäranta - Koirinoja road. Both gunpits are exactly like the one I found approximately at 61.64567, 30.79255 on Riekkalansaari. I still regret I did not make a picture of that one.

Just to remind: all co-ordinates are mentioned in files' names.

So I sincerely thank all of you who helped me with maps, co-ordinates, advices etc.! I'm not sure that I go that area again before spring as daylight hours are really short now, so efficiency of every trip is quite low - you simply have no time to reach (and to find) a good number of objects during daylight.

As usual, your comments would be highly appreciated.
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Re: RTR 4

Post by ML » 01 Dec 2021 19:56

Thanks for the photos and nice to see you again found new gun positions.
So now we know that captain Laakkonen and his fellows were swimming not in Ladoga, but in Haukkalampi - I guess the water was warmer there.))) See SA-kuva pictures 158079 - 158104.
I had not noticed that there are photos of 43.Rask.Ptri at Mursula. Funny that the original captions write vuorikanuunapatteri (mountain cannon battery). The 152/35 Mk guns were far from lightweight mountain cannons.

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Re: RTR 4

Post by Eugenius » 01 Dec 2021 23:21

ML wrote:
01 Dec 2021 19:56
I had not noticed that there are photos of 43.Rask.Ptri at Mursula. Funny that the original captions write vuorikanuunapatteri (mountain cannon battery). The 152/35 Mk guns were far from lightweight mountain cannons.
- actually those photos from SA-kuva were found not by me, but by one of colleagues from our local Fortoved forum in St. Petersburg: http://fortoved.ru/forum/index.php?t=ms ... #msg_60669 He also noticed wrong designation of that gun as "mountain gun" and that on some plans this gun was mistakenly marked as 157/35-MK.

The whole thread http://fortoved.ru/forum/index.php?t=ms ... 01ab682d1d is dedicated to this gun. Of course, it will be not easy for you to read Russian, but I think that at least some pictures and drawings published there might be interesting for you.

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Re: RTR 4

Post by Eugenius » 19 May 2022 19:24

Terve guys, yesterday I made the first trip of the season to Ladoga to visit some points we discussed earlier as probable coastal batteries locations. Unfortunately, with no result:

- Position of 2/152/45C guns in July 1944 near Kesvalahti, points 61.3712, 30.1612 and 61.3722, 30.1598. The first point near the road is just ruin of a Finnish farmstead. Another one is on a hill, but with no any trace of construction works. Numerous pits on lowland here and there, but they are most likely of natural origin - no banking, no trenches. That area is rather wild now, so if we try to re-calculate battery's location, it might be worth searching again. I remember, when we tried to find position of 43. Rask. Ptri of 2/152/35МК guns near Haukkalampi, the initially defined point was ca. 600 m away from actual location of the battery.

- Position of 405. Kev. Ptri, 4/75 K/17 in Tervunkylä in July - August 1944, point 61.3235, 30.1379 - a rocky hill dominating the surroundings, could be quite suitable for battery location, but no any trace of it. Well, those 75 K/17 wheeled guns did not require any prepared position at all.

- Additionally searched Riihipelto area looking for the second gun position of 40. Rask. Ptri. Met the same guy from nearest estate I met last year, searched the area with no fruits. Probably the second position was destroyed during construction of that estate or the road to it. Or it could be a pit near the road I mentioned last year.

- Suokkala area is now built up with cottages. I tried to find keskiö we discussed at viewtopic.php?f=59&t=157689&start=90#p2368270 Found one cellar, but definitely not that one pictured at SA-kuva. It was a business day, all the homes were empty with no-one to ask about local attractions. It's rather difficult to search inhabited area with no exact co-ordinates and no local residents to ask - you permanently meet buildings, fences, dogs, abandoned areas on backyards etc.

Unfortunately, no good news for you so far. But I keep trying...

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