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Eugenius
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 06 Jun 2022 18:17

Third, there was a Soviet 3 x 152 mm Canet battery Nr. 323 placed on Satamaniemi in June 1940 and evacuated in July 1941. Gunpits location:

- 60.50093, 28.06616
- 60.50084, 28.06698
- 60.50068, 28.06801

From some sources I've heard that the Finns used 2 latter gunpits for placing field guns (75 mm?) and the ramps made for those guns are still quite visible. Besides the gun positions, there were 2 munition cellars/magazines erected, both made of stones.

The first one now looks like this, point 60.50104, 28.06776:

DSCF9610 Предположительно погреб финской батареи, 60.50104, 28.06776.JPG
DSCF9611.JPG

The second one at 60.50097, 28.06933 completely overgrown with shrubs and spruces, so it is impossible to picture it, but the construction was similar to the first one.

Do you know anything about that battery? Could munition cellars belong to that battery?

Many thanks in advance for your comments.
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 06 Jun 2022 19:52

- Positions at Häränpäänniemi on 13 July 1944
- RTR 22 positions on 30 July 1944
- RTR 22 positions on 24 August 1944
- RTR 22 positions on 4 September 1944
Eugenius wrote:
06 Jun 2022 17:57
First, a most likely Finnish battery of 3/122/K31 guns:

Gunpit 1, 60.53109, 28.01305:
Gunpit 2, 60.53106, 28.01201:
These are most likely the positions of 5. Moottoroitu raskas patteri (5. Mt. Rask. Ptri). It was equipped with 122 K/31.
Eugenius wrote:
06 Jun 2022 18:17
Do you know anything about that battery? Could munition cellars belong to that battery?
These belonged to four 75 K/17 guns of 1. Moottoroitu kenttäpatteri (1. Mt. K.Ptri).

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by ML » 07 Jun 2022 20:19

Third, there was a Soviet 3 x 152 mm Canet battery Nr. 323 placed on Satamaniemi in June 1940 and evacuated in July 1941.
Very interesting. Diary of Merivoimien esikunta (Staff of Marine forces) mentions:
  • 24.8.41 Ship sunk near coast of Säkkijärvi has three 6" Canet gun barrels on its deck.
  • 8.9.41 Barge was unloaded in Hamina. It was loaded with 3/152C, barrels are ok, carriages damaged, will be moved to Helsinki.
Did the Soviet battery use same gunpits Finns had built before Winter war? Were they round concrete pits or something else?

1. Moottoroitu kenttäpatteri was at Satamaniemi area at least from July 1942 onwards. In September 1942 it had 4 guns. Same battery was still at Satamaniemi in summer 1944.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 24 Jun 2022 17:16

Guys, sorry for not replying for a long time - I was a kind of busy with my work.

Mangrove, many thanks for your valuable comments. So the only question remained is about lonely gunpit at 60.50192, 28.0606.

ML, yes - the loss of all 3 guns of the battery Nr. 323 during evacuation is also confirmed by Soviet sources. But there were only barrels on the barge Nr. 102, which was hit and sunk - the gun mounts remained on Satamaniemi's pier.

Actually I never heard that there was a Finnish battery on the place where Soviet battery Nr. 323 was later installed. All gunpits were made with earth and stones, the guns were installed on temporary basements - top and bottom metal plates with wooden bars in between, tightened with studs. Here are some pictures for all interested colleagues to see how the gunpits look like now:

Gunpit 1. Most likely top metal plates were taken away a long ago:

DSCF9591 Батарея № 323, 3 х 152 мм Канэ, июнь 1940 г., дворик 1, 60.50093, 28.06616.JPG

A trench to the gunpit is quite visible:

DSCF9595 Траншея к дворику.JPG

Banking as seen from the front:

DSCF9599 Обваловка.JPG

Gunpit 2:

DSCF9603 Дворик 2, 60.50084, 28.06698.JPG
DSCF9604.JPG
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 24 Jun 2022 17:22

A ramp made by the Finns to bring 75K/17 guns into gunpits:

DSCF9605 Аппарель.JPG

A trench with wooden plating was made most likely by the Finns:

DSCF9609.JPG

Gunpit 3:

DSCF9612 Основание 3, 60.50068, 28.06801.JPG
DSCF9613.JPG

4 studs of the Soviet gun basement, so here top metal plate most likely remained:

DSCF9616 4 болта.JPG
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 27 Jun 2022 17:40

Our colleague bell corrected me - Soviet battery Nr. 323 was mentioned as battle ready already in April 1940.

He also provided the picture of the most western gunpit of the battery as seen in 2012:

Первый двори 323 батареи ВУС(2).JPG

The rails were used for lifting the gun up, when dismantling it in August 1941. Both the rails and the metal plates with studs of the gun basement disappeared by now.
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