Soviet armoured units on Carelian Isthmus in the summer 1944

[Juha Tompuri]

I would not make any conclusions based on tanks' driving directions in Viipuri.

I would beg to disagree here.
The heading of the tanks are of course not any single decisive factors, but they might add something to the chain of facts and educated guesses about the matter.

For instance the "236" coming from the direction it's unit is/was supposed to be at.

About "IS-2" column" photos:

The IS-2's queuing (to the opposite direction the "236" came from) to the front or to railway transport away from Viipuri/Vyborg?

Or about the same in other words:

might be taken when the units were withdrawn and collected to Viipuri to wait for transport towards Baltic

Regards, Juha

[Esa K]

Some observations from the Raizman film to wich Juha T. gave a link to above:

9:40 - 9:47 One KV-1 "707" Should be from the 31 Guards Tank Regiment.
9:48 - 9:59 Three KV-1 and then one SU/ISU-152. No tactical numbers visible.
11.47 - 11.51 Four IS-2, at least "35", "31" and "32" is visible, so they should be from the 26 Guards Heavy Tank Regiment. And a SU/ISU-152, no tactical number visible.
11.49 - 12.01. One KV-1 "654" Should be from the 260 Guards Heavy Tank Regiment.
13.16 - 13.25 A camouflaged T-34 on roadside, and passing on the road, first a tank that I cant identyfie, and then two T-26, no tactical numbers visible, but they are probably from the 220 Tank Brigade cause if I've got it right it was the only soviet unit with the T-26 tanks in the Viborg operation (at least before 25/6 1944, or so...).

To be continued....


Best regards

Esa K

[Juha Tompuri]

The same place on the streetview nowadays:

Another view of the once again same crossing.
One example of the exellent "then and now" work of Sergey Larenkov:
http://pinterest.com/pin/134474738843821914/

Regards, Juha

[Juha Tompuri]

More topic related Sergey Larenkov work can be viewed for instance here:
http://sergey-larenkov.livejournal.com/ ... 1%80%D0%B3
T-34-85 tactcal number 958 at Terijoki/Zelenogorsk

http://sergey-larenkov.livejournal.com/15414.html
IS-2 tactical number 111 at Viipuri/Vyborg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8jA1sFX2l4

Regards, Juha

[Juha Tompuri]

According to this site:


KV-1 at Karelian Isthmus, June 1944 (I think I have seen that photo also being located somewhere else)


KV-1 (and a T-34?) at Viipuri/Vyborg, September 1944.
http://www.litmir.net/br/?b=167686&p=56

Regards, Juha

[Esa Muikku]

The KV-1 in the last photo, according to the caption in the link "Танки КВ-1 26-го гвардейского танкового полка прорыва вступают в Выборг. Сентябрь 1944 года" belongs to the 26th GTR. To me it looks more like a 31st GTR tank.

[Esa K]

According to this site:

KV-1 at Karelian Isthmus, June 1944 (I think I have seen that photo also being located somewhere else)

Yes, have also seen that, have to locate the source, but IIRC its now the consensus that its a tank belonging to the Carelian Front, and the photo is taken at the Olonets Isthmus.

The KV-1 in the last photo, according to the caption in the link "Танки КВ-1 26-го гвардейского танкового полка прорыва вступают в Выборг. Сентябрь 1944 года" belongs to the 26th GTR. To me it looks more like a 31st GTR tank.

My opinion too. The 26th Guards TR had according to the info I have had only IS-2 tanks during the Viborg operation, and if we look where the tactical number is placed on the turret, and with some imagination, at least, we can interpret the number as "700", so maybe its the tank that Art put up the picture earlier in this thread of the tank from 31th Guards TR with tactical number "700" with name "Suvorov".


Best regards

Esa K

[Mangrove]

KV-1 (and a T-34?) at Viipuri/Vyborg, September 1944.

The rectangular building in the background is the city water tower located at the edge of Patterinmäki, next to the city hospital. The photograph was taken somewhere at the Pyöräsuo or Ristimäki region.

[Esa Muikku]

...but IIRC its now the consensus that its a tank belonging to the Carelian Front, and the photo is taken at the Olonets Isthmus.

Esa K

To me it seems to be a tank of 260th GTR which was in the Karelian Isthmus, first serving with 21st Army and then in August with 59th Army (http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tp/gvtp260t.html). The unit was never in Olonyets area. However, the text on reverse side of my photo says "Karelian front, 1944". Only the official caption to this photo might tell the real truth, although they often are not so precise. The number is O-101098, if someone has the possibility to check it.

[Juha Tompuri]

According to the photo caption, ISU-152 from June 1944:

http://las-arms.ru/index.php?id=282

Apparently from the same loation:

http://isl.livejournal.com/458305.html? ... 9#t5726529
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1813976

Regards, Juha

[Juha Tompuri]

SU-76M SPG's of 1238 Self-propelled Gun Regiment IIRC at Carelian Isthmus June 1944:








http://nbd.in.ua/blog/samokhodnaja_usta ... -09-27-162
http://vetrabotnik.narod.ru/Texts/TWW/U ... r/T013.htm

Regards, Juha

[Esa K]

...but IIRC its now the consensus that its a tank belonging to the Carelian Front, and the photo is taken at the Olonets Isthmus.

Esa K

To me it seems to be a tank of 260th GTR which was in the Karelian Isthmus, first serving with 21st Army and then in August with 59th Army (http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tp/gvtp260t.html). The unit was never in Olonyets area. However, the text on reverse side of my photo says "Karelian front, 1944". Only the official caption to this photo might tell the real truth, although they often are not so precise. The number is O-101098, if someone has the possibility to check it.

Yes, could be so, and the landscape is much looking like Karelian Isthmus. And trusted to much to my memory not Olonets, but the source I was refeering to is this: Moshanskij, Ilja: Karelska näset 1944: Slutstriden, Nacka 2008 (Swedish translation of: Moshchanskiy I: "Shturm Karelskogo vala", Vyborsko-Petrozavodskaya strategicheskaya nastupatelnaya operatsiya 10 ijyunia - 9 avgusta 1944 goda", Voyennaya Letopis'/Military Chronicle, 5/2005). In the photo-section, in the end of the Swedish edition, edited by some Geust & Muikku , it is stated that the tank in question belongs to the Arctic Sea front (Murmansk front?).

Best regards

Esa K

[Art]

2. KV tank fom the 31 Guards Tank Regiment (tactical number 700) called "Suvorov" with infantry, June 1944

An award paper of the mechanic driver of the No.700 KV tank from the 31 Guards Tank Regiment technical lieutenant I.S. Petrov
Which confirms that the tank belonged to the 31 GTR.
More award documents of the 31 GTR are available here:
https://disk.yandex.ru/public/?hash=Nu4 ... &locale=ru
Found on:
http://vk.com/wall-48283196?own=1&offset=20

[Juha Tompuri]

KV-1 equipped with PT-3 mine rollers

http://waralbum.ru/136794/

Regards, Juha

[Juha Tompuri]

Carelian Isthmus offensive later part, T-26(?) landing at Island Teikari:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1419774

Regards, Juha