Fall of Viipuri (Vyborg) 1944

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Post by Harri » 08 Sep 2006 07:18

Tere, tere! Without doubt "there is no fire without any smoke". Like Carl mentioned Mäkelä as a former intelligence official may well have had good information on the mentioned incident. How truthful and accurate this story is in details is another question especially if the primary source is... Jukka L. Mäkelä himself. The kind of operation Mäkelä describes in his book fits although to the "frame" and explains well why the high Soviet officers were so surprised when they arrived in Helsinki in autumn 1944.

Many "unsourced" books actually contain such "background sources lists" and in some cases this source material may be either in the Military Archive, in some other archive or with the author(s).

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As interesting as this may be, perhaps we should focus back to the city of Viipuri in June 1944...? :oops:

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Sep 2006 21:17

CF Geust wrote: (except the bombing of Viipuri railway station by ADD in the night 14/15 June with rather moderate forces, compared to the interrupted attack 9/10 June).
Still, what was moderate to the ADD, was quite large scale to the Finns (142 bombers, according to Kesäsota ("Summer War") by Atso Haapanen).

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Re: Fall of Viipuri (Vyborg) 1944

Post by tramonte » 26 May 2018 19:23

I have found list of personal losses of 276 BAD (Pe-2 division) and 113 BAD (Il-4 division) of June 1944. Does anyone have sources to to compare them? How many crew members are still missing in this June 1944 list?
Using this source: http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/DivDocs/DivDocs10.html

276 BAD

Medvedev, Vasili.....................................13.06.1944 MIA Captured. Liikola
Karasev, Dmitri Alexandrovich............... 15.06.1944 MIA
Nazimov, Matvei Maximovich................. 15.06.1944 MIA
Aksenikhin, Igor Vladimirovich................15.06.1944 MIA
Rudnev, Dmitri.........................................17.06.1944 KIA
Olenich, Vasily........................................ 17.06.1944 MIA
Galygin, Nikolai...................................... 17.06.1944 MIA
Antonovich, Nikolai Ignatievich...............17.06.1944 MIA
Borisov, Nikolai Aleksandrovich.......... 18.06.1944 MIA Captured. Hiitola
Kuznetsov, Aleksei Sergejevich.......... 18.06.1944 MIA ?
Khusainov, Rem Kalinovich................. 18.06.1944 MIA Captured, Hiitola
Syarchin, Peter Timofeevich............... 19.06.1944 MIA
Lyubchenko, Daniel, Spiridonovich..... 19.06.1944 MIA
Kamarov, Nicholas Viktorovich........... 19.06.1944 MIA
Manakov, Pantelei Afanasyevich....... 29.06.1944 KIA Kuokkala 3 km north
Ershov, Nikolai Grigorievich.............. 29.06.1944 MIA
Pihel, Yuri Yakovlevich..................... 29.06.1944 MIA
Chabay, Trofim................................. 29.06.1944 MIA
Zaozerov, Afanasij........................... 29.06.1944 KIA Kuokkala, 3 km north
Nesterovich, Nikolai........................ 30.06.1944 KIA
Vinogradov, Ivan Vasilievich............ 03.07.1944 KIA Lake Ladoga
Malyh, Fedor Ivanovich................... 08.07.1944 MIA
Vinyarski, Todias............................. 08.07.1944 MIA
Petrenko, Ivan................................ 08.07.1944 KIA
Halin, Valentin................................. 08.07.1944 KIA


113 BAD

Fedotov, Timofei Stepanovich....................... 09.06.44 MIA Captured
Koryshev, Alexander..................................... 09.06.44 MIA Captured
Dorofeev, Aleksander Gerasimov................. 10.06.44 KIA Lake Ladoga Moryin Nos????
Zhuravlev, Andrei......................................... 19.06.44 MIA ?
Chernobay,Pjotr........................................... 19.06.44 MIA ?
Gallyamov, Jacob........................................ 19.06.44 MIA ?
Egorov, Aleksander..................................... 19.06.44 MIA ?
Rutskoi, Vasili............................................. 19.06.44 MIA ?
Sarzhevsky, Andrei.................................... 19.06.44 MIA ?
Dragunov, Ivan.......................................... 21.06.44 MIA Captured *)
Meshkov, Andrei....................................... 21.06.44 MIA ? *)
Fedorenko, Nikolai................................... 21.06.44 MIA Captured *)
Ermakov, Ivan.......................................... 21.06.44 MIA ? *)
Bacherikov, Ivan...................................... 23.06.44 MIA ?
Minin, Grigori.......................................... 29.06.44 MIA ?
Mamonov Gleb........................................ 29.06.44 MIA ?

Dikan, Ivan.............................................. 03.07.44 MIA ?
Potapov, Nikolai...................................... 03.07.44 MIA ?
Krasnov, Fedor........................................ 03.07.44 MIA Captured in 29.06.1944 according Finnish sources
Smirnov, Pavel........................................ 03.07.44 MIA ?
Prilepsky Vasili........................................ 03.07.44 MIA ?

*)The point here is that we can't be sure are those MIA official declarations even near always same as the day when crew members really were lost. For instance they seems to have been no claims of FAF and Kuhlmey unit in 21 June of any Il-4s. But at least 2 in day before (20 June).
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