Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by John Hilly » 17 Dec 2013 14:06

From my personal experience I wouldn't recommend that firing position to anyone.
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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Mangrove » 17 Dec 2013 17:51

Juha Tompuri wrote:This one should also be from Winter War era.
A Finn with a captured rifle:
The same person from another point of view? SA-Kuva N:o 2320.

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by John Hilly » 18 Dec 2013 17:19

Beatiful framed photos, I'd say?
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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Mangrove » 24 Jan 2014 19:33

Some further information regarding the "cuckoos" from Soviet documents captured by Karjalan Armeija in December 1941. A memo by 1068th Rifle Regiment to 313rd Division on 5 December 1941:
[...] The use of "cuckoos" (kukushki) is very common among the Finns. A cuckoo is used to direct mortar and artillery fire. The use of this method is excellent for this purpose. Since the arrival of winter and snow, the cuckoos have changed their tactics. A cuckoo does no longer climb to a tall tree, but uses tiny and dense trees (spruces). He approaches the tree with causion in order not to disturb the snow on the tree branches. The mission of our snipers is to seek the cuckoos below the dense trees, not from their tops. [...]

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Mangrove » 05 Mar 2014 10:14

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12.3.1942 Rukajärvi. Vihollisen tarkka-ampujan tappava luoti on osunut vänrikin rintaan. SA-kuva V. Hollming.
The original is SA-Kuva 126382. The date on the photographs is 8 April 1943, but he died on the previous date. The original text is as follows:
The deadly bullet has met up with Ensign Onni Koivisto, who was acting as a guide. The enemy sniper hit (him) in the middle of the chest.
Onni Koivisto - 5./JR 52 - kronos.narc.fi/menehtyneet
An excerpt from the diary of the 6./JR 52:
7 April 1943. [...] The snipers shot a man dead when two "TK men" guided by Ensign Koivisto were at the trenches at 1.30 p.m. When they arrived at a mortar observer post "the Widow" ["Leski"], Ensign Koivisto started to observe over the trench and was shot by a Russkie sniper killing him immediately.
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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Aleksander P » 01 Feb 2015 04:34

To me it seems that in the Finnish Army during the wars, sharpshooting wasn't that well organized, as mentioned before. In the the SA-kuva archives there are photos of men in their trenches during the trench war part of the Continuation War, picking off enemies with a trophy rifle. To me it seemed like these men were just normal infantry soldiers.

In my great-uncles funeral preparations I heard that he had served as a sharpshooter, this would have made sense since he hunted all his life. Several years after I got curious and ordered his kantakortti and to my surprise I found no mention of sharpshooting there. It read that he had served as a mortar man and as a machine gun gunner, but nothing else. Could this be an example of the "unofficial" status of sharpshooting in the Finnish Army?

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Mangrove » 04 Mar 2015 16:06

SA-Kuva 81426 - 81428: Corporal A. Ryyppö with the CO of his company, Captain Hartikainen, in Valkeasaari in April 1942. Ryyppö might be the A. O. Ryyppö (b. 24.5.1924) who served with the Finnish Waffen-SS volunteers, but the date does not seem to match. Notice the Waffen-SS style Totenkopf in his hat! Close-ups from the 81427:

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by John Hilly » 05 Mar 2015 14:55

That's not an original Totenkopf badge, because the bones should be behind the skull not under.

I wonder where he got that! :?

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Aleksander P » 15 Mar 2015 18:46

I believe him to be from JR 46 "pääkallopataljoona".

The photographer who took this photo also photographed JR 46's oath ceremony in Valkeasaari 4 days later and JR 46 wore such insignia, as you can see from the scan that I attached. The skull doesn't have crossed swords but the style is still similar.
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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Mangrove » 26 Mar 2015 16:33

SA-Kuva 57995: A man wielding a Swedish Mauser equipped with a scope in Hanko in 1941.

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by JTV » 26 Mar 2015 17:57

Mangrove wrote:SA-Kuva 57995: A man wielding a Swedish Mauser equipped with a scope in Hanko in 1941.
I have seen that photo before, so I dig bit more info. The soldier shown in the photo is Evald Petrus Malmström, a Swedish school teacher who in served in Swedish Volunteer Battalion in Hanko / Hango / Gangut front in 1941. Apparently the rifle was his own personally owned rifle, for which he had acquired rifle scope and brought the rifle with to Finland. Malmström was killed in action 22nd of November 1941.

Might be worth noting that this Swedish military acquired its first proper sniper rifle with rifle scope that same year, but this rifle was not it.

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Mangrove » 27 Apr 2015 17:58

SA-Kuva 142497 (cropped): "Portrait. Viipuri". The sniper is equipped with a m/39 Sov. The number of the photograph suggest it was taken in late October or early November 1943.

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Aleksander P » 27 Apr 2015 19:00

Mangrove wrote:SA-Kuva 142497 (cropped): "Portrait. Viipuri". The sniper is equipped with a m/39 Sov. The number of the photograph suggest it was taken in late October or early November 1943.

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Thank you! I hadn't seen this one yet.

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Re: Finnish snipers during the Winter & Continuation War

Post by Seppo Koivisto » 18 Jul 2017 10:42

War time diary of Simo Häyhä is found, where he writes he has shot over 500 Russians.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/2017071 ... 6_u0.shtml

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