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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by JTV » 22 Jan 2010 21:44

Rajaväpeli wrote:
7.12.41 Klo 16.00 (Orginal text on page 15 -16)
Palasi Vänr.Huuskonen komennukselta divisionasta. Komennuksen laatu komppaniasta muodstetaan jälleenkaksi komppaniaa jotka muodostavat 35:n rajajääkari pataljonan (komppanian?). Pataljonan komentaja Kapt. Terho meidän komppanian päälikkö Vänr. Huuskonen niinkauan kun. Pessi palaa sairaalasta. Komppanoiden partionimet on samat kuin ennenkin komppaniastamme muodostettiin 3 joukkuetta joiden johtajat 1:n Ylikersantti Pakarinen, 2:n Kersantti Laukkanen, 3:n Kersantti Käkelä, Tst.an Kersantti Leinonen.
This is partly from the original, I also fixed some errors:

7th of December 1941 16:00:
2nd Lieutenant Huuskonen returned from his assignment to the Division. Type of the assignment, our company will be used to create two companies, which will form Frontier Jaeger Battalion 35. Battalion commander will be Captain Terho. Our company commander will be 2nd Lieutenant Huuskonen, until Pessi returns from the hospital. Commander of the 2nd Company will be Lieutenant Päärelä. The code names of the companies will be as before. Our Company was used to form three platoons, whose platoon leaders are: 1st Platoon Senior Sergeant Pakarinen, 2nd Platoon Sergeant Laukkanen, 3rd Platoon Sergeant Käkelä, office NCO Sergeant Leinonen.
11.12.41 Klo 12.00 (Orginal text on page 17)
Lähtö komppaniamme päälikkö Vänr.Huuskonen Js.P:lle hänessä oli kuumetta yli 39 astetta väliaikainen kompp.pääl toimii: Raja-Ylikersantti Pakarinen.
11th of December 1941 12:00:
Our company commander 2nd Lieutenant Huuskonen left to field dressing station. He had fever of over 39 degrees. Temporary company commander is Frontier Senior Sergeant Pakarinen.
Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK-2
I have also a question if someone have some information about where Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK - 2 (Lin.RP SAK 2) was located in December 1943 in Finland. From the war diary i have found a name on a place "Valkjärveltä or Valkjärvellä" does someone now where in Finland this place is located.
Valkjärveltä = from Valkjärvi
Valkjärvellä = in Valkjärvi
The name is not unique for obvious reasons - Valk(ea)järvi = white lake. But the map below shows my best guess (the others seem to be at least mostly lakes, this one was a municipality in Karelian Isthmus).

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Rajaväpeli » 23 Jan 2010 01:10

Thanks again Jarkko for an excellent translation of the text and the help to find the village in Finland.

Valkjärvi was also my guess, but had to do a check,the railroad mentioned in the war diary is a small confirmation that Valkjärvi is the village. And it seems also very logical with a Fortification Construction Battalion located there in 1943 - 44.

In the war diary for Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK-2 (Lin.RP SAK 2) there are some text that stones are transported by railroad to Valkjärvi, and according to some pages on Internet there was a railroad to that village.

I will now continue my research because my äidinisä moved after his treatment at the military hospital 20.SotaS:san, (wounded when serving with Rajajääkaripataljoona 8) a very short period to the HTK (Supply replacement Centre of Home Troops) and after that to Lin.RP SAK 2 as a Esikuntavääpeliksi.

I have also found his name in the war diary for Lin.RP SAK 2. My next step is to find out his way from Lin.RP SAK 2 back to the Rajavartiosto 4 (3:rd Company/Frontier Guard 4) as a vartiopäälliköksi (Guard Chief?), 25.11.1944.

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Mangrove » 09 Mar 2010 10:36

All of the Finnish Air Force HQ's "Lentojoukkojen tilanneilmoitus" are now digitized. These are summaries of every known Finnish & German and Soviet flights during the Continuation and Lapland Wars. You'll find them under Ilmavoimien esikunta. Yleisesikuntaosasto. Toimisto III L.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/dosearch.ka?ne ... isto+III+L

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Mangrove » 09 Apr 2010 11:29

Minutes of Finnish Council of State. Contains mostly civilian administration but also war budgets et.c.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/hae_ay.ka?atun=281071.KA

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Mangrove » 10 Jun 2010 14:18

This is an attachment to 5./JR 53's war diary. The author Leo Kolho wrote it in 1954 based on his wartime personal diary as a company scribe. It starts on July 2th 1941 and ends on February 16th 1942.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2618836

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by John Hilly » 10 Jun 2010 15:52

Thanks for sharing this. :D
JTV wrote: 11.12.41 Klo 12.00 (Orginal text on page 17)
Lähtö komppaniamme päälikkö Vänr.Huuskonen Js.P:lle hänessä oli kuumetta yli 39 astetta väliaikainen kompp.pääl toimii: Raja-Ylikersantti Pakarinen.

11th of December 1941 12:00:
Our company commander 2nd Lieutenant Huuskonen left to field dressing station. He had fever of over 39 degrees. Temporary company commander is Frontier Senior Sergeant Pakarinen.
BTW, I think that Raja-Ylikersantti should be translated as Staff Sergeant, Border Guards, to be exact (thinking of the Non-Finnish readers).

Ok, Ok, I'm nagging... 8-)

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Rajaväpeli » 12 Jun 2010 14:28

Yes, that correct Raja-Ylikersantti is Staff Sergeant, Border Guards.

In the war diary (http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2954028) for Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK-2 (Lin.RP SAK 2) date 20.12 1943 there are some more text about my grandfather (äidinisä) Paul Pakarinen. So my question is again, if there is someone who can help me translate this text in to English?

20.12.43
Patl.kom kävi tarkastamassa kivien vastaanottotyömaan ja Valkjärven puusärmiötyömaan. Sovittiin että Valkjärvelle ilmoitetaan. Koska kivien ajo uudelleen alkaa ja että jouluaattona he lopettavat kivien laatauksen klo 11, joten meillä työt päättyvät klo 12. Joulupäiväna ei kiviäö ajeta kiviä ei enää tule junalla joululomista saapui ohjeet ja niitä annettiin puhrlinsanomana komppanioihin ja var.joukk:sen uusi esikuntavääpeli, vääp Pakarinen saapui pataljoonaan.


Is there someone who can read Finnish who can tell me from the war diary (http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2954028) if the Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK-2 stayed in Valkjärven until the end of the war, or if the unit moved to an another location in Finland.

Do someone now if there is possible to find personal records of people who has been in treatment in a military hospital during the war?

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Mangrove » 12 Jun 2010 16:33

Rajaväpeli wrote: Do someone now if there is possible to find personal records of people who has been in treatment in a military hospital during the war?
Yes and no. According to Finnish legislation patient files become public when fifty years has passed of his or her death.

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by mikaFi68 » 12 Jun 2010 16:36

Commander of batallion checked reception work site of stones and work site of wooden prisms.
It was argued that it will reported when the import of stones begins and they will stop making of flagstones in Christmas Eve 11 a.m., so our job will end 12 a.m.
Import of stones will not in Christmas Day, and trains which import stones did not drive in Christmas Day. Indications of Christmas Holiday arrived and they was given to the companies by telephone. New cadre warrant officer of storing (var. means possible store)platoon, warrant officer Pakarinen, arrived to the battalion.

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by mikaFi68 » 12 Jun 2010 17:23

Rajaväpeli wrote:Is there someone who can read Finnish who can tell me from the war diary (http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2954028) if the Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK-2 stayed in Valkjärven until the end of the war, or if the unit moved to an another location in Finland.


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Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK-2 didn't stay in Valkjä'rvi to end of the war, naturally. Russians began huge attack 9.6.1944 in Karelian Isthmus.
I read war diary of Linnoitusrakennuspataljoona SAK-2 http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kui ... 400&sy=400 .Very interesting.
Bombings and artillery fire caused panic in the unit. But after pair days of start of attack they calmed. Same time the unit began to withdraw.
12.6. the unit was in Miettilä.
13.6. I.company was north of Lipolankylä, 2.company nearby Miettilä.
14.6 the batallion was in VT line in Kylä-Paakkola.
17.6. the batallion withdrew north flank of Vuoksi river in Vuosalmi.
18.6. The batallion got the order to withdraw to Vuoksenranta-Käkisalmi line.
19.6. The batallion got the order to withdraw to Lappeenranta. Units were in Antrea in this day.
21.6. The batallion arrived to Lappeenranta, 1.K was in Suoniala in Lemi, and 3.K was in Korpila in Lemi.

The battalion was in Lappeenranta area to end of the war.
The battalion was disbanded end of October 1944.

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by JTV » 12 Jun 2010 17:25

mikaFi68 wrote:Commander of batallion checked reception work site of stones and work site of wooden prisms.
It was argued that it will reported when the import of stones begins and they will stop making of flagstones in Christmas Eve 11 a.m., so our job will end 12 a.m.
Import of stones will not in Christmas Day, and trains which import stones did not drive in Christmas Day. Indications of Christmas Holiday arrived and they was given to the companies by telephone. New cadre warrant officer of storing (var. means possible store)platoon, warrant officer Pakarinen, arrived to the battalion.
Just a minor, but IMO pretty important detail:

I doubt we are talking about flagstones and wooden prisms. My educated guess is that the items in question:
- Flagstones -> antitank obstacle stones
- Wooden prisms -> barbwire obstacles or their wooden frames.

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by mikaFi68 » 12 Jun 2010 17:36

JTV wrote:
mikaFi68 wrote:Commander of batallion checked reception work site of stones and work site of wooden prisms.
It was argued that it will reported when the import of stones begins and they will stop making of flagstones in Christmas Eve 11 a.m., so our job will end 12 a.m.
Import of stones will not in Christmas Day, and trains which import stones did not drive in Christmas Day. Indications of Christmas Holiday arrived and they was given to the companies by telephone. New cadre warrant officer of storing (var. means possible store)platoon, warrant officer Pakarinen, arrived to the battalion.
Just a minor, but IMO pretty important detail:

I doubt we are talking about flagstones and wooden prisms. My educated guess is that the items in question:
- Flagstones -> antitank obstacle stones
- Wooden prisms -> barbwire obstacles or their wooden frames.

Jarkko

thanks.
I'm not specified to these kind of details. I used simple translator.

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Juha Tompuri » 12 Jun 2010 21:24

JTV wrote: - Wooden prisms -> barbwire obstacles or their wooden frames.
Spanish riders/ knife rests?
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... tm#fig4-33

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by JTV » 12 Jun 2010 22:09

Juha Tompuri wrote:
JTV wrote: - Wooden prisms -> barbwire obstacles or their wooden frames.
Spanish riders/ knife rests?
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... tm#fig4-33

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Quite likely. Must have been a barbwire obstacle, which could be transported and as far as I know the "Spanish rider" was the most commonly used design. Another smaller and easier design that can be found from pre-war Finnish Army manuals is "Piikkilankahäkkyrä" (could be roughly translated "barbwire-jumble") - three wooden poles each about 1.2-meters long pointing pointing to different directions and barbwire tied around the whole thing.

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Re: Digitized Finnish War Diaries

Post by Juha Tompuri » 12 Jun 2010 22:39

Spanish rider:
From Finnish 1940 printed (5th edition) book Squad leader, a NCO handbook
http://www.res.fi/foorumi/index.php?topic=4132.0
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