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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 05 Feb 2021 19:31

Gentlemen, have any of you explored batteries of Saplalinja? I read Matka Salpalinjalle book and the article Rannikkotykistö Pohjois-Karjalassa published in Rannikon Puolustaja magazine 4/01. So far I found location of the following batteries:

- Klamila (close to Matinmäki), 2 x 152/45 (?) Canet
- Kärmeniemi (close to Lemi), 2 x 152/45 Canet
- Juvola, 4 x 280 mm mortars Mk 1877
- Sarsuinmäki (Sulkava), 2 x 152/45 Canet
- Pitkälä, ? x 152/45 Canet
- no exact name known, close to Vasamalahti, 4 x 229 mm mortars Mk 1877
- Huhmarinen, 2 х 152/35 MK
- Huhmarisvaara, 1 (?) x 152/45 Canet

But obviously there were much more batteries there - up to 27 positions according to some Soviet sources of 1945 - 46. Have you found any other than mentioned?

I would be grateful for your comments.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 05 Feb 2021 19:44

Eugenius wrote:
05 Feb 2021 19:31
Gentlemen, have any of you explored batteries of Saplalinja?
The Finnish Heritage Agency (Museovirasto) has extensively mapped Salpalinja for years:

- Salpalinjan merkittävimmät kohteet. Kohdeluettelo perusteluineen. V.-P. Suhonen. 2012 (62 pages)
- Inventointiraportti. Salpalinja. Sotahistoriallisten kohteiden arkeologinen inventointi 2009 - 2012 (667 pages)

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by JTV » 06 Feb 2021 06:55

Eugenius wrote:
05 Feb 2021 19:31
Gentlemen, have any of you explored batteries of Saplalinja? I read Matka Salpalinjalle book and the article Rannikkotykistö Pohjois-Karjalassa published in Rannikon Puolustaja magazine 4/01. So far I found location of the following batteries:

- Klamila (close to Matinmäki), 2 x 152/45 (?) Canet
- Kärmeniemi (close to Lemi), 2 x 152/45 Canet
- Juvola, 4 x 280 mm mortars Mk 1877
- Sarsuinmäki (Sulkava), 2 x 152/45 Canet
- Pitkälä, ? x 152/45 Canet
- no exact name known, close to Vasamalahti, 4 x 229 mm mortars Mk 1877
- Huhmarinen, 2 х 152/35 MK
- Huhmarisvaara, 1 (?) x 152/45 Canet
I have been in Sarkuinmäki, it is very rare case in that sense, that it has museum gun placed in original gun position. As mentioned Finnish Heritage Agency has done very good work cataloguing and researching Salpa-line. Grand majority of the gun batteries in Salpa-linja were fortification artillery batteries equipped with old French and Russian m/1877 and m/1878 field guns and usually not mined in to rock or made from concrete, so there is necessary not much left. Gun pits built for 152/45 C were a notable exception to this, since they were basically large circular concrete bunkers built using the same design as coastal artillery and presumably the largest concrete structures to build into Salpa-line for its artillery.

You might want to try finding Suomen Linnoitustykistö 1940 - 1944 by Teuvo Rönkkönen published in year 2006. Its first 100 pages of so go through creation of fortification artillery and organizing it as artillery-support of Salpa-line. Among other things it contains lists of each artillery battery, info of their locations, guns, manpower, commanders and maps of the locations.

Vasamalahti in municipality of Kerimäki? That would be Fort 6 of Fortification Artillery Battalion 4 with location listed as "west of Raikuu".

Photo of museum gun in Sarkuinmäki / Ylisenauvila Artillery Battery, aka Fort 6 of Fortification Artillery Battalion 3 or Artillery Battery 306.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 06 Feb 2021 13:48

Mangrove wrote:
05 Feb 2021 19:44
The Finnish Heritage Agency (Museovirasto) has extensively mapped Salpalinja for years:

- Salpalinjan merkittävimmät kohteet. Kohdeluettelo perusteluineen. V.-P. Suhonen. 2012 (62 pages)
- Inventointiraportti. Salpalinja. Sotahistoriallisten kohteiden arkeologinen inventointi 2009 - 2012 (667 pages)
- Mangrove, many thanks for pretty interesting links you provided. I'm sure those books have detailed answers to my question. It looks there is a plenty of time for reading until the borders are opened again and I could visit those batteries.)))

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 06 Feb 2021 14:18

JTV, many thanks for your comments. I also visited Klamila and Sarsuinmäki batteries.
You might want to try finding Suomen Linnoitustykistö 1940 - 1944 by Teuvo Rönkkönen published in year 2006. Its first 100 pages of so go through creation of fortification artillery and organizing it as artillery-support of Salpa-line. Among other things it contains lists of each artillery battery, info of their locations, guns, manpower, commanders and maps of the locations.
- OK, I will definitely try to do that.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 06 Feb 2021 14:46

Gentlemen, I can't miss this chance and not to ask about another favour: in July 1944 a Finnish 152/35 coastal battery was located somewhere near Pitkäranta in command of captain Laakkonen. Is it possible to get know the number of this battery? Like to see a service record of captain Laakkonen and to find out which battery he commanded in July 1944? Our general idea is to find exact location of this battery and to see whether anything left.

The only fact we have so far is a series of pictures at SA-kuva, numbers 158079 - 158104.

Working remotely gives plenty of time to research not only Salpalinja, but our local attractions as well.)))

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 07 Feb 2021 12:07

- Map of RTR 13's batteries on 1 July 1944
- Map of RTR 3's batteries on 7 July 1944
- Laat.RPr's troops at Lake Ladoga on 11 July 1944
- Laat.RPr's piers around Lake Saimaa on 16 July 1944
- Laat.RPr's troops at Lake Ladoga on 28 July 1944
- RTR 3's batteries at Lake Ladoga on 28 July 1944
- RTR 13's batteries at Lake Ladoga on 28 July 1944
- Er.Lsto/Laat.RPr's batteries at Lake Ladoga on 28 July 1944
- Finnish observation stations at Lake Ladoga on 28 July 1944

43. Raskas patteri was equipped with two 152/35-MK and located at Mursula, Huunukka (also mentioned more precise as Laitila) from 3 July to 16 July 1944 and later at Riekkala(nsaari) at the village of Hakala. The coordinates for the Mursula position (using unknown coordinate system and map) are given as follows on the aforementioned link:

1st gun: P = 3902,2 | I = 7021,7 | K = 50 [m]
2nd gun: P = 3909,9 | I = 7023,6 | K = 50 [m]

Based on the aforementioned map made on 1 July 1944, the positions were circa 200 metres south of Laitila farmstead along a circa 55 metres tall hill at WGS84 coordinates N 61.6473, E 31.3230.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Eugenius » 07 Feb 2021 17:16

Mangrove, if I were Mr. Brezhnev, I would definitely honour you with Kansojen ystävyyden kunniamerkki (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansojen_ ... nniamerkki) for your continuous support! Thanks a lot!

Waiting for travel season to come to explore the site. Surely I'll report here about any findings.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 28 Feb 2021 11:06

List of 29 artillery positions along the Salpalinja as of 14 December 1940. Sourced from the National Archives of Finland, folder T 19172/6.
List_of_Artillery_1940_1.jpg
List_of_Artillery_1940_2.jpg
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 28 Feb 2021 11:07

Ibid.
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 01 Mar 2021 12:00

Artillery position design parameters, dated June 11th, 1940. Ibid.
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 01 Mar 2021 12:03

Ibid.
June11_1940_IIAK.jpg
June11_1940_IIIAK_1.jpg
June11_1940_IIIAK_2.jpg
June11_1940_IIIAK_3.jpg
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 01 Mar 2021 12:07

Ibid.
June11_1940_IVAK_1.jpg
June11_1940_IVAK_2.jpg
June11_1940_IVAK_3.jpg
June11_1940_VAK_1.jpg
June11_1940_VAK_2.jpg
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by ArmchairSamurai » 29 Mar 2021 18:25

Finnish Mortars and Trophies

https://forum.ww2.ru/index.php?showtopic=4015222

These are the mortars of interest, though admittedly I do not know their designations:

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Esa Muikku » 29 Mar 2021 19:03

VTT will give a complete answer shortly. He is the subject matter expert in mortars.
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