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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by veeteetee » 21 Jan 2014, 15:36

The SA #134461 is rather interesting: the gun seems to be on a concrete pad with wooden ramps for recoil and under the gun you can see two cylinders (most likely recoil brake & recuperator) bolted to the concrete pad. I´m not familiar with the contruction of the gun: was this always the case with this gun type?

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152 K 04

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Post by ain92 » 21 Jan 2014, 15:59

veeteetee wrote:The SA #134461 is rather interesting: the gun seems to be on a concrete pad with wooden ramps for recoil and under the gun you can see two cylinders (most likely recoil brake & recuperator) bolted to the concrete pad. I´m not familiar with the contruction of the gun: was this always the case with this gun type?
In three words: yes, it was. That's why I forgot to check Russian guns without recoil system at jaegerplatoon.net. :? For more explanation you may check C. Clelland's "152mm Obuchov m/04 Cannon" article.
As far as four pieces were captured in 1918, the wheels should be of Finnish origin. Has anyone seen any other photos of these wheels?
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Re: 152 K 04

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 21 Jan 2014, 17:07

ain92 wrote:
veeteetee wrote: Has anyone seen any other photos of these wheels?


Here you are:
SA-photos 144794-6 19431105 also at Vitele
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Re: 152 K 04

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Post by BarSeek » 21 Jan 2014, 18:18

Another pair of wheels from Vahtiniemi (SA-photos 148214, 148215)

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 21 Jan 2014, 18:40

A couple more from the same location:

1943.09.30
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1944.03.10
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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by ain92 » 21 Jan 2014, 19:13

Thank you very much, Juha and Barseek!
So it seems that all the 4 guns had these wheels. Why weren't Finnish artillerymen satisfied with original spoked wooden wheels?
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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by JTV » 21 Jan 2014, 21:44

ain92 wrote:Thank you very much, Juha and Barseek!
So it seems that all the 4 guns had these wheels. Why weren't Finnish artillerymen satisfied with original spoked wooden wheels?
While this is just speculation, it might be worth noting that all photographs showing the guns with these new disc-wheels are from July of 1943 or later. Could be that the original wheels started falling apart and got replaced with new wheel design, which may have been expected to be more durable? Another useful feature for wheels would have been better suitability for being towed with higher speed (with motor vehicles) that what original wheels (intended for horse-towed gun) allowed.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by Sturm78 » 10 Mar 2014, 13:24

Hi all,

I need help to identify this coastal gun turret:

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by Mangrove » 10 Mar 2014, 13:28

Sturm78 wrote: I need help to identify this coastal gun turret:
SA-kuva 51927 (30 September 1941), a 12 inch battery at Mäkiluoto.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by Sturm78 » 12 Mar 2014, 16:16

Thank you very much for your help, Mangrove.

According to the little information I could gather from the net, the Finns built this twin turret at Mäkiluoto island in the early 30s, from an ancient 356mm twin turret started to build here by the Russians before World War I.

It would be similar case to the twin 305mm turret built by the Finns in the same years in Kuivassaari Island, in which the Finns used the 305mm guns recovered from the Ino Fortress in 1920 and parts of another unfinished 356mm Russian turret of Mäkiluoto island.

Is this correct? Both turrets are, however, different in appearance. Why ??? :? :?

I would like to find out more information about the very heavy coastal defense guns (356-305-254mm) installed (or planned) by Russia before the Revolution of 1917 in the Gulf of Finland as well as the changes made ​​by the Finns in these coastal defences in the 30s-40s.

Thanks in advance. Sturm78

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by JTV » 12 Mar 2014, 20:28

Sturm78 wrote:Is this correct? Both turrets are, however, different in appearance. Why ??? :? :?
Which way were they different in appearance?

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by Sturm78 » 12 Mar 2014, 21:35

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Which way were they different in appearance?
Here a modern image (sorry, I have not found any decent wartime image) of Kuivassaari turret. I think both turrets are not equal in appearance.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by JTV » 13 Mar 2014, 07:03

Sturm78 wrote:
Jarkko wrote
Which way were they different in appearance?
Here a modern image (sorry, I have not found any decent wartime image) of Kuivassaari turret. I think both turrets are not equal in appearance.
Which does next to nothing to provide an answer to the question I asked. As I asked how, because it would allowed me to concentrate giving more precise answer. Are you talking about shape of the turret, the equipment on top of the turret, other equipment on it, surroundings, camo or what? Apparently I have to try to guess what you might be asking.

The turret shape looks different due to angle of photo. If we are talking about equipment on top of the turret the reason why Kuivasaari turret in year 2005 does not look like Mäkiluoto turret in 1943 is also very simple - Kuivasaari turret has changes done after year World War 2. 305-mm guns were returned to gun turrets of coastal batteries of Kuivasaari and Isosaari around 1960 - 1962. Kuivasaari turret became again operational in year 1962 and remained in active service until circa year 1973 or 1974 - some modernisation was done for the equipment on top of the turret during this second period of active service. As for surroundings - different place and quite different kind placement, Mäkiluoto turret was already on its position on top of underground concrete bunker built for it when Finnish military took over Mäkiluoto Island in 1918, Kuivaluoto turret was in 1930's installed on top of existing battery front type concrete structure originally built for 254/45 D guns. As for the other equipment on turret like tarps, felt covering on top of concrete etc they were added when the turret was renovated as a museum piece in 1990's protect it better against snow and rain. Did at least one of these cover what you were asking?

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by Sturm78 » 13 Mar 2014, 13:32

Hi Jarkko

First, thank you very much for your comprehensive reply, which has solved most of my doubts. I was referring to the external shape of the turret.
According to some information I gained from the net, the Russians initially planned to place on Mäkiluoto island a turret with 356mm guns. Is this true?

Second, I think one of the problems is that my management of English is far from perfect, which often hinders communication.

Finally, Do you have any wartime picture of the Kuivasaari turret?

Regards Sturm78

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Re: Finnish Artillery

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Post by John Hilly » 13 Mar 2014, 20:30

Here's one from 28.6.1942:
Kuivasaari.jpg
"Kuivasaari turret shoots"
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For more, go to http://sa-kuva.fi/

Copy Kuivasaari to the text search box and there you are!

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