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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by Mika68* » 22 Sep 2011, 23:16

Slon-76 wrote:
Martti Kujansuu wrote: Va*ra Ryhmä Siilasvuolle 300(?) ups. ja 8000 Ruotsiin rym.(?) ent. Suomeen.
This is number RS to 14.12.39? 300 officers and about 8000 soldiers?
This is unclear, but as you know, Sweden sent 9000 voluntary soldiers to Salla front end of February 1940.

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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by Slon-76 » 04 May 2014, 18:38

Hi!

Tell me please, what does the abbreviation (for railroad cars?):

6Н + 1ItH + 4H + 16Ga + 3 Gb (KtK) + 1D + 2E + 1Gdsk + 1ItH + 5 Gdsk + 1G = 54

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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by Esa Muikku » 04 May 2014, 19:37

Yep, types and number of railway cars in the train.

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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by Mangrove » 04 May 2014, 19:55

Slon-76 wrote: Tell me please, what does the abbreviation (for railroad cars?):
Suomalaisten tavaravaunujen sarjamerkinnät
Suomen Museot Online

"Tavaravaunu Ga"
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"Gd-tavaravaunu"
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"O-tavaravaunu"
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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by Slon-76 » 07 May 2014, 17:19

Спасибо! Ups! Thanks! :) :)

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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by stanislav_labs » 09 May 2017, 14:27

Hello!
I'm interested in the battle of 12/27/1939 that took place near Kuusijärvi lake by Kuusamo. When the soldier died NIVALA KALLE LEONARD 07/06/1917 Kuusamo korpr. Er.P 16
From the Soviet side, the first frontier outpost of the Ukhta detachment led the battle. In the battle the head of the outpost, Lieutenant Shmagrin, died, later he was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union.
The translation of this diary can reveal the circumstances of Shmagrin's death.

Help to if you please read the war diary of the "January 27 , 1940. page 3,4,5,6 I cannot dismantle handwriting

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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by Lotvonen » 10 May 2017, 08:05

Here are the Finnish diary pages:
27.12._
03.15hrs Report from the rear on the change of the situation at Haapavaara road.
03.30hrs Order to Det. Pessi to patrol as far as Hyövynvaara level.
07.30hrs Order to unit CO s to rally at 10.00hrs for briefing in the HQ. At the same time info to the units to report their intendendance material situation to the HQ.
08.10hrs Situation information fron the North, another time about 08.40hrs
09.40hrs Report from the front line that 2.Coy has disenaged and 3.Coy manned the positions.
10.00hrs Unit CO s in briefing.
10.20hrs Two KIA evacuated to the rear and two WIA at 10.40hrs, and at 14.10hrs another two WIA.
10.30hrs Btn. Received order to attack to N to take over the Hyövynvaara terrain.
For the attack the Btn grouped at Mäkilammi in aerial cover in the following order:
1.Coy attacking as the spearhead supported by the Mg Coy, 3.Coy following 400m behind, 6.Coy 200m behind (3.Coy).
2.Coy is in reserve, following in the rear, ready to be used.
Det. Pessi shall attack from Haapala to Hyövynvaara, sweeping the terrain between them.
6.Coy shall cut the telephone connections to S and to N.
Detachment Sassali has been sent assigned to harass the left enemy flank and to liaise with our troops in N.
Air attack risk exists.
First aid post in the old place at 3km.
Supply to be organised by each unit themselves.
11.00hrs Order to the radio station to set up the radio station by 14.30 in working condition.
Order to the Radio team to be ready to establish message contact from the First aid post to the front.

27.12._
11.20hrs Det. Pessi patrol reported that in bearing 22.00 big fire. Nothing special to report.
11.15hrs Btn CO left for the front line.
12.45hrs Report that Karhu has cut the connections in S and destroyed four lorries carrying men to the last man.
Weather observation:
Snow depth in open terrain 25cm
in forest 30cm
Ice thickness 28cm
Temp moderately cold, cloudy, skiing weather moderately good.
13.00hrs Situation report from the rear. At the same time situation report from the front. Same at 14.20hrs and 15.00hrs
16.00hrs Radio team moved to the rear.
16.35hrs Patrol Käkelä, sent out from Det. Pessi returned from the direction of Harjula-Kokojärvi. They had checked the in-between terrain during he nightr and found nothing special. Also patrol Rotenhjelm in the direction Hiltusenvaara – Hyövynvaara. Observed at noon for 2 hrs about less than 4km from Hyövynvaara farmhouse. Totally quiet.
20.05hrs A messenger dog had brought at 17.30hrs a message from the front line reporting that enemy has been engaged at Hyövynvaara. Enemy using a lot of full auto weapons and flares. In the N the Russkies are being pushed to S at a good rate. We are trying to “salt” them (=annihilate, tr.rem). Some problems in night action, some initial confusion about the direction, now finding myself 200m from the road. 1.Coy in action, 6.Coy taking off, 3.Coy still in the rear.
21.00hrs Front line report: From the direction of Harju and Hiltusenvaara bearing 09.00 is heard heavy MG and rifle fire. For now not sure but probably it is Det. Sassali in action.
21.50hrs Crossroads position reports: 3.Ptn of 6.Coy has destroyed an enemy horse column coming from the direction oft Haapavaara. MG is still able to fire at the Palovaara crossroads from the old position. Covered by one rifle squad of the reserve. A listening post could not be establisehd on the far side of the road by the 6.Coy. 6.Coy personnel material in general poor and untrained. Their order is confused. Now set up by me in some kind of order.
Skirmishing to the right of the crossroads. Nothing serious. Sent out a recon patrol to the Palovaara crossroads.
(Lt. Hyväkkö) .
22.40hrs Sent out a recon patrol to the direction of the Hiltusenvaara road.
23.15hrs The Btn returned having met a strong and well entrenched enemy. They were hampered by darkness and unfamiliar terrain. Parts of enemy columns were destroyed.
War booty 4 rifles, backpacks, reel of cable etc. material
Password unchanged.

Casualty report on 27.12.1939
2.K/Os.A./Ko.HK
Reservists:
Siira, Naamanka, Jalmari, wounded at Kiantaniemi battle
Kaasinen, Kaarlo likewise
Törmaönen, Yrjö likewise
Kylmäluoma, Väinö Juho, (ID no 650772) KIA at Kiantaniemi battle
Räsänen, Tauno (ID no 650777) likewise
3.K/Os.A./Ko.HK
Reservists:
Karjalainen, Amos Vilhelmi, wounded at Kiantaniemi battle
Kurvinen, Juhani likewise
Törmänen, Väinö Antero, likewise
Virkkula, Johan Leonard, likewise
Määttä, Uuno Leonard, likewise
Rs. Lt, Hyväkkä, Yrjö, WIA at Hyövynvaara battle
6.Company
Reservists:
Honkanen, Taavi, Wounded at Kiantaniemi battle (one finger cut off)
Toivanen, Frans Mikale, Wounded at Hyövynvaara in one thigh.

It would also be most interesting to get a translation of the Soviet report quoted. My rudimentary Russian skill is not good enough to attempt a translation of a military document. "White Finns" appear to have taken a trashing.

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Re: Suomussalmi. Questions

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Post by stanislav_labs » 10 May 2017, 22:26

DESCRIPTION
Fighting clash of the border group with Lieutenant Shmagriny with a group of white Finns numbering about 60 people.
(The White Finns are propaganda, meaning that they are not Finns, not Red Finns.) The White Guards were used in Russia during the Civil War, the tsarist army = the white guard.)

27.12.39

Around 12.00 am, the border guard group, the first border detachment, the first border detachment (Ukhta-now Kalevala), consisting of Lieutenant Shmagrin, the commander of the detachment, the commander of the Iglina branch, and the border guards of the first year of Biryukov, Pchelkin and Popkov, were on the left flank 9km, In the area of ​​Lake Kasli-yarvi (near Kuusamo), they saw at 50-60 meters nearby, on a hill covered with dense forest, a squad of white Finns about 60 people moving to the rear of the outpost.

A detachment of white Finns - was armed with rifles, pistols, hand grenades - all were dressed in white camouflage gowns.
Preparing to fight, the team of Shmagrin on command, began to fire at the white Finns, and with an empty shot Shmagrin killed the man ahead of all the white Finn. Commander Iglin - began to shoot from a machine gun.
White Finns - having a numerical superiority in multiplied by ten people, after the first shots, surrounded the order of Shmagrin.
Border guards as heroes took an unequal battle, not allowing the enemy to go on the offensive by shooting rifles, machine guns and lance grenades. A few minutes, the battle took place at a distance of 20-25 meters.
The enemy used crossfire and threw hand grenades. A few minutes after the start of the battle, Shmagrin was mortally wounded, but he managed to tell Iglin that he took command of the detachment ..
Continuing to fire from the machine gun, Iglin was killed when he reloaded the clip a third time. Pchelkin was wounded in the arm when the basement was a clip for a machine gun. Buryukov was killed when he fired a signal rocket.

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