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Maps

Post by Mangrove » 07 Apr 2010 17:07

East Karelia
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2919079 - 1:100 000. Q-36-65/66.

Finland
http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/kart ... ml?lang=en - Up to 1:2000 with aerial images.

Gulf of Finland
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2919094 - "Ilmoitus- ja valvontakartta - Suomenlahti", 1:800 000. Used during the Continuation War.

Karelian Isthmus and Ladoga Karelia
http://www.karjalankartat.fi/ - 1:100 000 and 1:20 000. Published in late 1920s and early 1930s.

Maaselkä Isthmus
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3085484 - 1:100 000. P-36-?. See following pages for more.

Svir and Lake Onega
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4461220 - 1:300 000. Karhumäki - Danilova. Printed on January 21st 1942.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4464755 - 1:100 000. P-36-59 and 60. Taka-Äänisen lahti.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4464754 - 1:100 000. P-36-82 and 83. Limosaari and western shore of Lake Onega.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4464745 - 1:100 000. P-36-102 and 103. See also the following page for the map's lower part.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4464757 - 1:100 000. P-36-103 and 104.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4464735 - 1:100 000. Western Svir Front. P-36-?. See following pages for larger views.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4464741 - 1:100 000. Eastern Svir Front. P-36-107.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=4461241 - 1:100 000. P-36-126.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 18 May 2010 06:25

Suursaari
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=3228083 - 1:20 000. Merikarttalaitos, 1942.

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Re: Maps

Post by Panssari Salama » 18 May 2010 17:22

Martti, thank you very much for putting all these links together.

Now, sligthly off topic, but definitively of high value if anyone of you are planning a trip to visit any of the old locations.

I have just been pointed out as how to add digital maps on top of Google Earth view, and then observe them while changing their transparency.

As a result, you will have the simultaneous ability to observe any location as how it is now (the Google Earth view), or how it looked at the time when the map was made.

This is how it is done:

1) Obtain a copy of the original map, for an example from any source mentioned above. For an example: http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Finsko-Finl ... 0/4023.jpg
2) Open Google Earth (the application, not the browser extension)
3) Activate the Ruler tool (Näytä viivain) icon on Google Earth and have the ruler available for the next step.
4) Choose "Add" the "Layer or Layout picture" (Lisää - Peittokuva). This will open a dialog for selecting the map (jpg) from your hard disk
5) While the dialog box is still open, resize the map to proper size. The ruler tool can help with this. Then position it correctly to match the Google Earth location
6) After this has been done, save the view with a proper name, ie "Kuuterselkä 1938". The view becomes available in Places (Paikat) menu on the left side.
7) Then, in this case, select "Kuuterselkä 1938" from "Places". When activated, there will be a slider available to change the transparency of the map you just added. You can use the transparency slider to make the map invisible for viewing Google Earth, and then sliding it less transparent for viewing the contemporary map of the time.
8) You can add several layers, and play with each of their transparency. For an example if you have a more detailed view of let us say a certain town or place, you can add that map as well.
9) You can now simultaneously view Google Earth, the high scale map, or the detailed map.

This all sounds very complicated but it really is not.

If interested, PM me with your email address and I can mail you the Kuuterselkä map as a Google Earth kmz file, it will immediately appear on top of Kuuterselkä area. After seeing it, you will understand what this is about. :milsmile:

Again, my aplogies for being slightly off-topic, but I believe this is truly a nice way to plan a trip, or to just observe as how the area looked "then" versus "now".
Panssari Salama - Paying homage to Avalon Hill PanzerBlitz and Panzer Leader board games from those fab '70s.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 28 Jun 2010 10:17

Karelian Isthmus and Ladoga Karelia
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=2746408 - 1:400 000. Laatokka. Merikarttalaitos. 1935. Depths and ice situation during the winter of 1943. See following pages for more.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 05 Jul 2010 07:29

Finland
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=1585892 - 1:1000 000. "Suomi - Finland". Maanmittaushallitus. 1933. Finnish Air Force Winter War era grid system. Instructions how to use it; http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=1585901

Gulf of Finland
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=1585894 - 1:800 000. "Ilmoituskartta - Suomen lahti". Me.VE Toimisto IV. 1934. Finnish Navy Winter War era grid system.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 22 Jul 2010 08:04

Finland:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3450800 - 1:2,000,000. "Suomen kulkuneuvojen kartta - Karta till Finlands kommunikationer". Suomen Matkailijayhdistys. 1941. Roads, railways and steamer lines.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 14 Aug 2010 20:47

Maaselkä Isthmus
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3071576 - 1:100 000. P-36-6/7. Itä-Karjalan kartasto.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 08 Sep 2010 13:41

East Karelia
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2979299 - 1:100 000. Q-36-139/140. Jeljärvi etc.

Situation maps
Land forces
1941:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091087 (Karjalan Armeija, July 10th 1941). 1:400 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091158 ("", June 10th - July 21st 1941).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091188 ("", July 23th 1941 6 p.m.). 1:400 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091222 ("", July 29th 1941 6 p.m.). 1:400 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091250 ("", August 4th 1941 12 p.m.). 1:400 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091273 ("", August 13th 1941). 1:400 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3046219 ("", September 17th 1941).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3046342 ("", October 20th 1941).

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091209 (II Armeijakunta, July 29th 1941).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091327 ("", August 21st 1941).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091320 (IV Armeijakunta, August 21st 1941 10 a.m.).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091231 (Hangon Ryhmä, 1941).

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3046625 (Finnish Army on December 26th 1941).

1942:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047286 (Tiiksjärvi-Kiestinki, April 24th - May 1st 1942)
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047320 (Kiestinki, May 1st - May 5th 1942)
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047367 (Kiestinki, May 18th 1942). Q-36-77. 1:100 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047402 ("", May 23th 1942). "". "".

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047359 (Maaselkä Isthmus, May 14th 1942). 1:300 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047727 ("", August 22nd 1942). 1:300 000.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047477 (Olonets Isthmus, May 31st 1942). 1:300 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047494 ("", June 1st 1942).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047780 ("", September 20th 1942). 1:400 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047867 ("", December 31st 1942). 1:300 000.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047570 (Petsamo-Gulf of Finland, July 1st 1942)

1943:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3047910 (Maaselkä Isthmus, January 26th 1943). 1:300 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048221 ("", December 13th 1943). 1:300 000.

1944:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048500 (Maaselkä Isthmus, June 5th 1944). 1:100 000.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048512 (Olonets Isthmus, June 4th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048693 ("", June 20th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048767 ("", June 24th 1944). 1:100 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048771 ("", June 25th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049088 (Ladoga Karelia, September 9th 1944). 1:100 000.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048722 (Evacuation areas at the Karelian Isthmus in June 1944). 1:200 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048544 (Karelian Isthmus, June 13th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048303 ("", June 14th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048715 ("", June 6th-20th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3048781 ("", June 26th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049003 ("", August 14th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049048 ("", September 4th 1944).

Air Force:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091166 (Squadrons on June 24th 1941). 1:200 0000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091173 ("" on July 21st 1941). 1:200 0000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091168 (AA units on ""). 1:2000 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3091171 ("" on July 21st 1941). 1:2000 000.

Navy:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3046819 (Coastal artillery at Lake Onega in early 1942). 1:500 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3046826 ("" at Lake Ladoga ""). 1:500 000.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 20 Sep 2010 14:21

Situation maps
1944:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3566801 (Soviet troops at and around Viipuri on July 24th 1944). 1:50 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3566873 ("", July 29th 1944). 1:50 000.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3566810 (V Armeijakunta, August 1st 1944 at 6 a.m.). 1:50 000.

Lapland War
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049210 (III Armeijakunta, September 29th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049273 ("", October 10th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049294 ("", October 16th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049364 ("", November 7th 1944).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049444 ("", November 18th 1944)
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049478 ("", November 19th 1944)

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3049345 (German roads, fortifications and camps at Käsivarsi region on November 2nd 1944).

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 28 Sep 2010 15:53

"Ääninen: Purjehdusseloste" (1942). It's an interesting book containing detailed information and even some maps needed to navigate through Äänisjärvi or Lake Onega. You won't find it easily as the only two copy I'm aware of are located at MPKK's (Finnish National Defence University) library at Helsinki. The "Merikarttalaitos" also published a book on Syväri / River Svir.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 03 Nov 2010 07:30

Maaselkä Isthmus
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082940 - 1:20 000. 5333 03 / Karjalan Maaselkä. Topografipataljoona. 1943.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082953 - 1:20 000. 5333 04 / Ahvenjärvi. Topografipataljoona. 1943.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082934 - 1:20 000. 5333 05 / Saajärvi. Topografipataljoona. 1943.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082949 - 1:20 000. 5333 06 / Seesjärven Suurlahti. Topografipataljoona. 1943.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082958 - 1:20 000. 5333 07 / Kalliojärvi. Topografipataljoona. 1943.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082824 - 1:20 000. 5333 08 / Hyttälampi. Topografipataljoona. 1943.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082945 - 1:20 000. 5333 09 / Maaselkä. Topografipataljoona. 1943.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=3082962 - 1:20 000. 5333 11 + 5351 02 / Lumpuisjärvi + Hiisijärvi. Topografipataljoona. 1943.

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Re: Maps

Post by Tommy R » 08 Nov 2010 21:21

Great collection of documents, I apreciate your work digging through the archives.

A useful thing I've noticed is that if you replace the first part of the address with http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid= you get a somewhat nicer interface that is zoomable and you also get a button where you can download a highresolution copy of the scanned image with a filename that actually makes sense.

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 09 Nov 2010 06:45

Tommy R wrote:A useful thing I've noticed is that if you replace the first part of the address with http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid= you get a somewhat nicer interface that is zoomable and you also get a button where you can download a highresolution copy of the scanned image with a filename that actually makes sense.
That is true, but what is also true is that the newer interface is slower to load the photograph since it does not show it before it is 100% done. Thus if you own a slow connection (like I do) you might prefer the old one which allows you to see parts of the photograph as it downloads. If you want to save the photo then it is better to use the download link at the new interface.

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Re: Maps

Post by kuuskajaskari » 06 Feb 2011 16:33

Trying to find maps between Paanajärvi-Salla.
Maps under 6.D are allready clear, but is there anything about 169th D and SS Nord, specially 1941?

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Re: Maps

Post by Mangrove » 09 Apr 2011 07:06

The National Archive have started to digitize their collection of Soviet 1:100 000 maps from East Karelia. The first one to be digitized is Q-36-138 (see the map grid from the first post).

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10324938 (Rukajärvi)

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