Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by snake » 14 Jul 2010 22:02

This is great Juha Thanks a lot now i have the numbers i need. All of the tanks on the pictures are knocked out right? Except the IS-2 in the second picture??

Do you know the authors of these books and what picture is from what book?

Thanks a lot once again for postning!!!

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by larth » 15 Jul 2010 18:00

Hi Ragnar,
snake wrote:Do you know the authors of these books and what picture is from what book?
#3 (Is-2.23.JPG) is in Käkelä, Erkki: Lagus Stormkanoner [Laguksen Rynnäkkötykit - Rynnäkkötykkipataljoona 1943 - 1944]. (2005) - page 276. Tank #1112 is an ISU-152. Not shown on the photo here, but there is also an IS-2 with number 1230 or 1238 to the right of the ISU.

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by snake » 15 Jul 2010 18:44

Thanks a lot Lars!!

Is the ISU-152 1112 knocked out???


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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by larth » 15 Jul 2010 18:49

Hi Ragnar,

the text under the picture says "The west side of the Church-Hill in Ihantala after the defensive battles at the end of July. Six destroyed Soviet tanks and assault guns.".

So yes!

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by snake » 15 Jul 2010 23:17

Fantastic Lars!!!

Thanks a bunch once again!!

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by John Hilly » 20 Jul 2010 12:06

Howdy!
In and out of the Topic, for those who happen to be in Finland tonight.

YLE TV-2 shows (as a replay) a documentary: "Ihantalan ihme" (the Miracle of Ihantala) at 22.05 o'clock.
It is quite well done, and worth watching although one could have seen it before.

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Jul 2010 19:38

Hi snake
snake wrote:This is great Juha Thanks a lot now i have the numbers i need. All of the tanks on the pictures are knocked out right? Except the IS-2 in the second picture??
AFAIK either destroyed/disabled and/or immobolized
snake wrote:Do you know the authors of these books and what picture is from what book?
Viisi Sodan Vuotta (Five years of war) is written by Arvi Korhonen and Suomi Tahtoi Elää (Finland wanted to live) by Taavi Patoharju (etc).
I edited my earlier posts, so that the photo origins can now be seen.

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Jul 2010 19:49

larth wrote:the text under the picture says "The west side of the Church-Hill in Ihantala after the defensive battles at the end of July. Six destroyed Soviet tanks and assault guns.".
In total there were quite many more of them at that area.
I,m not quite sure but about 12 tanks and ISU-152's at that valley.
I'm not an expert at the issue, but perhaps one of the biggest concentration of destroyed/disabled and/or immobilized IS-2 tanks at such a small area?
larth wrote:Not shown on the photo here, but there is also an IS-2 with number 1230 or 1238 to the right of the ISU.
D**n, I scanned also a photo of thatt one, but forgot to post it.
Here you are:

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Jul 2010 20:10

Here some additional info about the tanks and ISU's at that area.
Here a panorama photo (in sections) from Suomi Tahtoi Elää vol I of the Soviet vehicles at that area.

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Jul 2010 20:20

Approx the same area, the red square (12 vehicles marked there):photographed perhaps from the observation post at the red circle:

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kui ... 400&sy=400
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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by snake » 21 Jul 2010 22:02

Thanks a lot Juha for putting such an effort into this, great material thanks for posting! Great that you changed in the original post also :-)

Is there anyway to see if the numbers was 1230 or 1238 on the IS-2 ( I can only se 23 maybe there only is 3 numberss?) or the number on the other IS-2 on the Portinhoikkaan picture at the right? i am having problems to see it.



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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by Panssari Salama » 22 Jul 2010 07:46

What an interesting thread once again, thanks for everyone who's contributed!

While I've seen the picture many times, I have never really looked at it in this detail. I always thought there's a destroyed T-34-85 behind the knocked down ISU-152, but it sure looks like another IS-2?

That's quite an armoured graveyard in one small place.

Has anyone been able to determine what types of thanks there are? The first two are very difficult to see, for an example.

Do we know which (types of) units were involved in Finnish sides, and how the six kills were divided among them? Infantry, AT-guns, tanks/assault guns?

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by John Hilly » 22 Jul 2010 11:39

To mix up things a little more, I remember reading that some destroyed "IS-2s" were actually type KV-1S.
In the Leitimojärvi area, at least. ("Punaiset panssarit", claim theyr'e IS-2s)
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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by Panssari Salama » 22 Jul 2010 13:16

John Hilly wrote:To mix up things a little more, I remember reading that some destroyed "IS-2s" were actually type KV-1S.
In the Leitimojärvi area, at least. ("Punaiset panssarit", claim theyr'e IS-2s)
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And to mix up some more, Erkki Käkelä mentions in several of his books that Finns did not recognize IS-2s for the most part, claiming they were KV-1s - even in areas where it was known no KVs operated...

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Re: Destroyed IS2 tank in summer 1944

Post by Juha Tompuri » 24 Jul 2010 07:09

Thanks a lot Juha
"information not shared, is lost" as the Forum motto goes. :)
snake wrote:Is there anyway to see if the numbers was 1230 or 1238 on the IS-2 ( I can only se 23 maybe there only is 3 numberss?)
The photo at least at that book is so fuzzy, that it's dificult to say anything sure.
snake wrote:or the number on the other IS-2 on the Portinhoikkaan picture at the right? i am having problems to see it.
Neither can I figure it out.
PBlitz wrote:While I've seen the picture many times, I have never really looked at it in this detail. I always thought there's a destroyed T-34-85 behind the knocked down ISU-152, but it sure looks like another IS-2?
Same here.

PBlitz wrote:Has anyone been able to determine what types of thanks there are? The first two are very difficult to see, for an example.
At the panorama photo the mentioned two lefternmost tanks (at the bushes) might be just one tank. The XIII seen at the battle plan drawing.
Which I think might be the 424
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