Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

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Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Mangrove » 05 Oct 2010 10:28

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=133091
This is a rear thing indeed, not only at the Finnish front but itself - six were on Baltic and five on the Black Sea in June 1941. I don't have the book about sea recon biplane KOR-1 with me but IIRC this case took place in summer 1941 near Vyborg where those aircraft participated in recon flights and one made emergency landing on forest on enemy territory. IIRC only two from six were in service on Baltic in August 1941 already.
From Laatokan Rannikkoprikaati's diary (SPK 17756):
N:o 718 20.8.1942 klo 18.00.
[...] Salmin Sammalammin (x=6828, y=606) rannalta löydetty pakkolaskun tehnyt vihollisen yksimoottorinen vesitaso. Kone on kaksitasoinen ja on se ehjä, mutta joitakin tärkeitä osia on viety pois.
N:o 718, August 20th 1942, 6 p.m. [...] Enemy's single-engined floatplane have been found from Salmi's Sammallampi [= pond /Martti]. The plane is a biplane and intact, apart from some important parts have been removed [by the Soviets?].

Here's is a map of the pond. This case is the only one I could find from a large list of captured and destroyed Soviet planes. It's quite clear to me the plane crashed probably in 1941 and was found a year later from quite remote spot.
http://www.karjalankartat.fi/?language= ... ayer.WMS_4

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Mangrove » 09 Oct 2010 08:18

The last KOR-1 sighting I could find was at Karelian Isthmus in January 1944.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/fullpic.ka?kuid=2737372
"Kan.R's sightings on the evening of January 12th 1944. [...] From the sea: twenty flights, 44 planes. [between] 08,22 a.m. - 3,02 p.m. [...] 1 KOR-1, [...]".
Kan.R:n meteli 12.1.44 illalla.
[...] Mereltä: 20 lentoa, 44 konetta. Klo 08,22 - 15,02. [...] 1 KOR-1, [...]

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Mangrove » 18 Mar 2015 20:16

SA-Kuva n:o 40294 (cropped): Beriev's main pontoon in the village of Säkkijärvi in the Karelian Isthmus during late August 1941.

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Juha Tompuri » 18 Mar 2015 21:44

Thanks for posting that photo.
I remember seeing it before, but couldn't figure out to what plane it had belonged to.
About Beriev KOR-1... judging by the photos I've seen, is that float at the photo a 100% match?
For one example the float nose seems to be a bit more blunt than the ones I've earlier seen, like:
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http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft21495.htm

Or is that just a float from some "sub-version"?

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Topspeed » 21 Mar 2015 11:15

It is because the KOR-1 doesn't have an engine in the picture above.

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Juha Tompuri » 21 Mar 2015 20:52

Topspeed wrote:It is because the KOR-1 doesn't have an engine in the picture above.
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Juha wrote:the float nose seems to be a bit more blunt than the ones I've earlier seen
Float, not the plane fuselage.

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Topspeed » 24 Mar 2015 17:45

Mangrove is not displaying a Kor-1 float.

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Juha Tompuri » 24 Mar 2015 20:00

Juha wrote:About Beriev KOR-1... judging by the photos I've seen, is that float at the photo a 100% match?
Topspeed wrote:Mangrove is not displaying a Kor-1 float.
What do you think it is?

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Topspeed » 26 Mar 2015 06:58

Juha Tompuri wrote:
Juha wrote:About Beriev KOR-1... judging by the photos I've seen, is that float at the photo a 100% match?
Topspeed wrote:Mangrove is not displaying a Kor-1 float.
What do you think it is?

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It is obviously a float, but not from a KOR-1.

Maybe a Be-2; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-2

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Juha Tompuri » 26 Mar 2015 21:38

Topspeed wrote:It is obviously a float, but not from a KOR-1.

Maybe a Be-2
Did that designation exist at that time?

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Re: Beriev KOR-1 in the Finnish Front

Post by Mangrove » 28 Mar 2022 13:10

From "Kertomus partio Perilän kaukopartioinnista Sompajärvelle 12.9. - 17.9.1942" or "Report on the Patrol Perilä's long range patrol to Sompajärvi between 12 - 17 September 1942". The crash site was situated circa 35 kilometres north-east of Uhtua. Possibly Beriev KOR-1, misidentified Shavrov Sh-2, Polikarpov U-2M/P or R-5a?

National Archives of Finland, folder T 20119/1:

16 September 1942. [...] At 07.00, the patrol found a two-seater single-engine enemy seaplane that had made forced landing (reconnaissance plane?) at point "B". The seaplane was completely intact, the gauges and propeller had been removed. The men thought the plane had been at the scene for a few months. The patrol destroyed the seaplane by detonating the petrol tank. [...]
16.9.42. [...] Klo 07,00 kohdasta B partio löysi kaksipaikkaisen yksimoottorisen pakkolaskun tehneen vihollisen vesitason (Tiedustelukone?). Vesitaso oli aivan ehjä, mittarit ja potkuri oli poistettu. Koneen arvelivat miehet löytöpaikalla olleen n. kuukauden päivät. Vesitason partio tuhosi räjäyttämällä pensiinitankin (sic!). [...]
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