Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

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Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

Post by mirekw » 17 Jan 2012 14:52

On 11.08.41 had force landed TB-7 (Pe-8) comanded by A.I. Panfilov from 412. TBAP. The crew had participated in unsuccesfull attack on Berlin on night of 10/11.08. Of 11 crew member 6 were KIFA and next 5 were captured by Finns. A few (2 or 3) had returned to Russia in 1944.

I wonder what kind information about this even are in Finland?

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Re: Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

Post by Mangrove » 17 Jan 2012 16:43

mirekw wrote: I wonder what kind information about this even are in Finland?
C. F. Geust has written about the case on book Sotavangit ja internoidut from page 229 onwards. The plane crashed at Lapinjärvi at the village of Rudom at 3.10 a.m. after returning from the bombing run over Berlin. Four of the crew members were detained immediately after the crash, while co-pilot Lt. Maksim Antipov was captured a day later at Ruotsinpyhtää. There are few published colour photographs of the wreck on the Finnish literature.

The prisoners were first interrogated on 13 August and gunner Lt. Kizilov was later questioned later at Mikkeli prison in May 1942. Antipov was handled to Germans on 13 December 1941. Sgt. Georgi Kirillov was returned to USSR on 2 November 1944, Sgt. Mihail Krysin on 19 October 1944, Lt. Kizilov on 21 October 1944 and Sgt. Konstantin Sharlykov died at POW camp on 5 February 1942.

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Re: Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

Post by JTV » 17 Jan 2012 17:26

Finnish-language Wikipedia article about the first Soviet bombing attack also mentions the aircraft that did the forced landing. The particular article:
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuvostoli ... Berliiniin

And some photos of this particular bomber taken after its crash landing:
http://forum.axishistory.com/files/pe8_color_120.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/files/mobi ... 92_490.jpg

And apparently there is also a book written about the subject in Finnish. It's Pommituslento Berliiniin - pakkolasku Lapinjärvelle (translated: Bomb flight to Berlin - crash landing to Lapinjärvi) written by Esko Sipinen and published year 2007.

BTW, I found this while searching review of the particular book:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/46825/me ... ok+in+2007

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Re: Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 Jan 2012 18:54

Hi,

Check this thread:
Here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... it#p994681
and here on:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=150
On 11.08.41 had force landed TB-7 (Pe-8)
More like fell down than force landed.
Seems that the pilot (Panfilov) had been killed and the co-pilot (Antipov) bailed out before the crash
Martti Kujansuu wrote:The plane crashed at Lapinjärvi at the village of Rudom at 3.10 a.m. after returning from the bombing run over Berlin.
mirekw wrote:The crew had participated in unsuccesfull attack on Berlin
Yes, Panfilov & the crew never made to Berlin.
Rudom = Rutumi (in finnish)

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Re: Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

Post by mirekw » 18 Jan 2012 14:38

Hi
thanks for the infomation, discution in 2007 was very long and with "big fire", :-)
One big plane and such big discution.

Most probably this TB-7 had problems with disel engines and crew had problems with navigation, so they had landed in Finland. Due to engines construction's problems (other crews had some similar problems when sudenly their engines had not worked, cuts), plane had crashed.
And agree it was not force landing as in Vodopyanov's crew in Estonia but crash.

Berlin were not attacked this night by a few TB-7 and Yer-2, only a few bombers overflown the city, without bombing it. Bombs were unloaded in other, earlier area.

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Re: Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

Post by Juha Tompuri » 18 Jan 2012 19:40

mirekw wrote:Hi
thanks for the infomation, discution in 2007 was very long and with "big fire", :-)
One big plane and such big discution.
Yes... but the best thing is that eventually the facts won the fiction.
mirekw wrote:Most probably this TB-7 had problems with disel engines and crew had problems with navigation, so they had landed in Finland. Due to engines construction's problems (other crews had some similar problems when sudenly their engines had not worked, cuts), plane had crashed.
In addition to the inbuilt problems, that plane seemed to have suffered from some friendly fire somewhere over Estonia.

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Re: Force landed TB-7 in Finland on 11.08.41

Post by mirekw » 19 Jan 2012 12:36

Yes, there are a lot of misinformation and myths about various air operations. This also applies to this event.
This operation ended in great failure and pretty large losses.

It is possible that the plane was shot either on Estonia, or by warships? Nobody notify their flight combat. During the attack on Berlin were attacked by their own fighters (TB-7 Wodopyanov). Also while returning a Yer-2 was shot down by their own fighters (I-16 from 5th IAP KBF, if I'm not mistaken!?).

Strange, that no studies have been conducted that destroyed the aircraft, either by Finnish or by German specialists?

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