Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Esa Muikku » 02 Mar 2013 00:56

+ missing towing lug in the center, drive sprockets, missing fenders,...

According to the photos, the T-27s which were left behind by the Soviets in Värtsilä and Salla (Nurmi, Kutsa) were not in that bad shape. The SB bombers in the first exhibition were scrap compared to these.

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 02 Mar 2013 10:44

Thanks,
Esa Muikku wrote:+ missing towing lug in the center, drive sprockets, missing fenders,...
Do you know when the center lug was removed from the Finnish tankette?
The Soviet T-27's used different type of drive sprockets, so at least for me very hard to say about the differences.
Fenders could have been missing from any vehicle.
However there might be something different visible at the road wheel assembly /"skid"
Esa Muikku wrote:According to the photos, the T-27s which were left behind by the Soviets in Värtsilä
From my eyes they were comptlely burnt (perhaps also not in that condition to be the captured T-27 mentioned at the Kantakoski book)
Esa Muikku wrote:and Salla (Nurmi, Kutsa) were not in that bad shape.
The one I posted the photo?
If so, that one seemed to be at quite good condition.

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 02 Mar 2013 10:57

Perhaps another view of the mystery vehicle 8.10.1941.
Prince of Sweden, Gustaf Adolf visiting the exhibition.
The tankette this time at different place there:
http://www.uusisuomi.fi/artikkelit/mott ... suhallissa#
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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 04 Mar 2013 19:53

Juha Tompuri wrote:
Esa Muikku wrote:Heh! That is the Vickers-Carden-Loyd Mk VI* and not a T-27! (Evidence can be found in some details and other photos.)
Even more strange.
Do you mean the "towing ring" at the photo as one evidence ?

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http://www.panoramio.com/photo/79156780 ... -H%C3%A4me
Seems really, that all these three photos are from one and same vehicle.
Thank you for identification.
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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 07 Mar 2013 20:49

Hi Slon,
Slon-76 wrote:Staff of the 44th Division reported a loss in the region Suomussalmi 10 t-27

After a quick search at Maksim Kolomiets book (I have a swedish language version of it):
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http://www.amazon.com/Tanks-Winter-War- ... 9197589527
...If I got it correct, it does not mention of any T-27 tankettes at the 44th Division inventory.
From the book I noticed the T-27 being only used at Petsamo and Karelian Isthmus regions.

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 07 Mar 2013 22:00

Photos of T-27's during Winter War seem to be quite rare.
Here two of them:

A T-27 at 14th Army sector at Petsamo area March 1940
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http://sfw.so/page,2,1148780981-tanki-v ... -1940.html
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Mine damaged T-27 of 123rd Rifle Division at Terijoki area December 5th 1939
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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by olia » 08 Mar 2013 14:30

123 JD had the tank K|103 Tied.P, usually 10-12 light tanks

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Mangrove » 27 Mar 2013 12:18

According to a Finnish 1942 guide to Soviet tanks ("Tietoja Puna-armeijan panssarikalustosta"), the T-27s were not used during the Winter War in great numbers. The 2nd Tank Regiment of the 1st Tank Division had a few dozen T-27s at the beginning of the Continuation War at Alakurtti. Three T-27 A in the photograph below were found by the Finnish troops from the ruins a burned barrack at Värtsilä.

The guide does not give the T-27 a very good grade due to its limited ability to cross the Finnish terrain and operate during the winter time.

Specifications according to a Soviet booklet "Tanketka T-27" (Moscow 1932):
Weight: 2.7 tonnes
Crew: 2
Armament: a DT machine gun
Ammunitions: 2500 rounds
Armour: 4 mm on the bottom, 10 mm at the sides.
Speed: 20 km/h on the road in average.
Fuel: 46 litres
Range: 110 km on the road.
Maneuverability: Rises at 30 degree angle, climbs over a 0.5 meter obstacle, passes a 1.2 meter ditch.

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 27 Mar 2013 15:01

Martti Kujansuu wrote:Three T-27 A in the photograph below were found by the Finnish troops from the ruins a burned barrack at Värtsilä.
Thanks for the photo.
Yep, seems that they were completely burnt out wrecks.
Paavo Susitaival at his book Rykmentti Taistelee (Regiment Fights) mentions that his regiment (JR 29)captured four burnt light tanks that had been under repair at Värtsilä.

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Mangrove » 27 Mar 2013 17:26

Juha Tompuri wrote: Paavo Susitaival at his book Rykmentti Taistelee (Regiment Fights) mentions that his regiment (JR 29)captured four burnt light tanks that had been under repair at Värtsilä.
However, the regimental diary mention that they captured three burned tanks at Värtsilä on the 11th of July 1941.

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 27 Mar 2013 19:33

Martti Kujansuu wrote:However, the regimental diary mention that they captured three burned tanks at Värtsilä on the 11th of July 1941.
Yes, that's what I have read at other sources too, and at the photo "only" three tankettes are visible.

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 27 Apr 2013 20:19

Mangrove wrote: Three T-27 A in the photograph below were found by the Finnish troops from the ruins a burned barrack at Värtsilä.
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Same tankettes, mentioned being photographed 11th July 1941:
Image SA-kuva 24391

Image SA-kuva 24392
http://sa-kuva.fi/

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Esa K » 24 Jun 2013 12:13

One more pic of a T-27 from continuation war is to be found at http://sa-kuva.fi its sa kuva no: 118181


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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Esa K » 02 Jul 2013 15:42

Had forgot how to upload pictures here, so for the lazy one, this is the picture I referred to my post above:
36816_r500.jpg

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Re: Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

Post by Juha Tompuri » 06 Jul 2013 19:28

Thanks Esa,

That one seems to be at quite good condition, compared for instance to the apparently heat treatment received Värtsilä ones.

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