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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by veeteetee » 06 Jan 2016 10:42

As per original caption - available in the Finnish version of SA-kuva.fi - "Tampereen ilmatorjunta 1944. 71.Rask.It.Ptri. Puazo 3-tj.koneen suuntauspylväs, oikea puoli. Tampere 1944.09.01" i.e. "Tampere AA in 1944. 71st Heavy AA Battery. Puazo 3 fire director, right side. Tampere 1944.09.01".

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by veeteetee » 06 Jan 2016 12:05

More pictures of the battery in SA 164706-27, Puazo in -164725-27.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 08 Jan 2016 10:01

veeteetee wrote
As per original caption - available in the Finnish version of SA-kuva.fi - "Tampereen ilmatorjunta 1944. 71.Rask.It.Ptri. Puazo 3-tj.koneen suuntauspylväs, oikea puoli. Tampere 1944.09.01" i.e. "Tampere AA in 1944. 71st Heavy AA Battery. Puazo 3 fire director, right side. Tampere 1944.09.01".
Ummmhhh... :? :? This is a image of the PUAZO-3 AA fire director.
I think the image 164725 posted on 06 Jan 2016 shows a different instrument, although perhaps associated with AA equipment also.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Juha Tompuri » 08 Jan 2016 22:38

Sturm78 wrote:
veeteetee wrote
As per original caption - available in the Finnish version of SA-kuva.fi - "Tampereen ilmatorjunta 1944. 71.Rask.It.Ptri. Puazo 3-tj.koneen suuntauspylväs, oikea puoli. Tampere 1944.09.01" i.e. "Tampere AA in 1944. 71st Heavy AA Battery. Puazo 3 fire director, right side. Tampere 1944.09.01".
Ummmhhh... :? :? This is a image of the PUAZO-3 AA fire director.
I think the image 164725 posted on 06 Jan 2016 shows a different instrument, although perhaps associated with AA equipment also.
I think it is as it is at the VTT posted photo caption: a suuntauspylväs, something like a sighting pole/mount:
In finnish the item is a "tähtäyspylväs", a sighting mount perhaps in english.
It was a part of the fire control system, the sighting mount was used in finding the target and tracking it.
The mount gave the target movement, side and height angles that were transfered to the actual predictor.
The system also needed range finder and at some models a separate speed indicator.
We finns bought a similar looking mounting with the ex-French Aufiere fire control systems from Germans during the WWII.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1547174

...and this sighting mount perhaps also is a model of an ex-French Aufiere - an example of the Finnish developed Puazo-Aufiere combination.
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http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1545080
http://atf40.forumculture.net/t2600-par ... -pere-402e

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jan 2016 00:20

Thank you very much for your answer, Juha

So, it is a Poste optique Mle 34 sighting mount of a Finnish developed PUAZO-Aufiere fire director combination... 8O
However, I can sse some differences with your image, as the side dial pointers.... :?
It ssems that the manufacturer of this equipment was Sautter-Harle...

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Juha Tompuri » 09 Jan 2016 08:59

Sturm78 wrote:Thank you very much for your answer, Juha

So, it is a Poste optique Mle 34 sighting mount of a Finnish developed PUAZO-Aufiere fire director combination... 8O
However, I can sse some differences with your image, as the side dial pointers.... :?
We finns bought a similar looking mounting with the ex-French Aufiere fire control systems from Germans during the WWII.
Similar looking, not the same.
The Finnish bought systems were of mod 35 and 35/44(?)

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jan 2016 11:00

Juha wrote
Similar looking, not the same.
The Finnish bought systems were of mod 35 and 35/44(?)
Thank you, again, Juha
Do you know which were the different components of the Aufiere fire control system Mod.1935 ?? :?
I posted in this thread an image of a Aufiere fire control system on 12 oct.

Any additional image will be wellcome...

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Jan 2016 12:37

Hi all,

Two images from SA-Kuva archive:

Image 165941: standard military Finnish assault boat (syöksyvene ) ??
Image 26186: M/35 pontoons ??

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Esa Muikku » 13 Jan 2016 23:15

Image 26186: M/35 pontoons? YES!

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by JTV » 14 Jan 2016 06:37

Sturm78 wrote: Image 165941: standard military Finnish assault boat (syöksyvene ) ??
Yes - it seems to be syöksyvene. Size and structural design fit, although sides of the boat seem bit high - but it could be just the angle from which the photo had been taken and effect caused by the fact that all the weight (soldier + motor) is in aft of the boat (which raises the bow higher).

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Jan 2016 15:12

Esa wrote
Image 26186: M/35 pontoons? YES!
Thank you for your confirmation, esa.
Jarkko wrote
Yes - it seems to be syöksyvene. Size and structural design fit, although sides of the boat seem bit high - but it could be just the angle from which the photo had been taken and effect caused by the fact that all the weight (soldier + motor) is in aft of the boat (which raises the bow higher).
Thank you, Jarkko

Any idea about these equipments ?? :?

Images from SA-Kuva archive (167354-167353)

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by veeteetee » 14 Jan 2016 19:29

Sturm 78, as ALWAYS the original Finnish caption gives the answer and can be translated into English with Google. YOU, all by yourself, should give it a try, PLEASE.

SA16734: "Ilmatorjuntatykistön komento-osasto. Weibel-kronografi" => Anti-aircraft Artillery Command Department. Weibel-chronograph.

SA167353: "Ilmatorjuntatykistön komento-osasto. Boulenge-kronografi." => Anti-aircraft Artillery Command Department. Boulengeri-chronograph.

After all, as I´ve understood it, AHF is not about making endless questions and thanks messages, but GIVING info and answers.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Juha Tompuri » 15 Jan 2016 20:28

veeteetee wrote:Sturm 78, as ALWAYS the original Finnish caption gives the answer
My experience is that the original captions often give the answer, but sometime they don't and sometime they even give incorrect info.

veeteetee wrote:After all, as I´ve understood it, AHF is not about making endless questions and thanks messages, but GIVING info and answers.
Well, asking questions is allowed, and atleast I've learn't a lot at the Forum.
And at some cases even the answering the questions has taught me new things that I have not understood earlier.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Jan 2016 12:24

veeteetee wrote
After all, as I´ve understood it, AHF is not about making endless questions and thanks messages, but GIVING info and answers.
Normally, the answers are usually given to questions posed earlier .....
veeteetee wrote
Sturm 78, as ALWAYS the original Finnish caption gives the answer and can be translated into English with Google. YOU, all by yourself, should give it a try, PLEASE.[
veeteetee, one example: Image 69245 of SA-Kuva archive: Photocaption: Tykki on 105 mm:n ruotsalainen raskas kanuuna vuodelta 1934 (105 K 34).

Thanks to forum members who answer to the questions, I learned that this is a KH36, not a K34, as say the photo caption.....

If it bothers you to answer my questions, you don`t do it .... perhaps another forum member will do it..... and I will be grateful....

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 Jan 2016 00:08

Sturm78 wrote:If it bothers you to answer my questions, you don`t do it .... perhaps another forum member will do it..... and I will be grateful....
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Without expert like veeteetee around here, you will most probably be left out of answers to several of your questions.

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